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Old 04-20-2013, 07:14 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Hogan can just stand in the ring and do nothing and it's one the most entertaining things you will see.He is without a doubt the greatest of all time.
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I guess it depends on how you define a good worker. Story-telling and psychology he is up there at the top. Crowd manipulation? No one even comes close to Hogan, including The Rock. If your definition of a good worker is technical ability, i.e Dean Malenko, Dynamite Kidd type caliber, he is nowhere near the top.

It's like what the veterans always say, "slow it down", it seems (especially in the indies) that high pace action and spot after spot are what people view as a good match, but that completely irradiates story-telling and psychology in some cases.

A perfect example of difference in judging a match is Ultimate Warrior vs Hulk Hogan. I consider it to be a 4 1/2 to 5 star match, some people tend to shit on it. But when you watch the match, Warrior gets a bigger pop winning a test of strength against Hogan in the beginning than Ziggler got winning a title recently. For me the crowd is a huge part of a wrestling match, because ultimately shouldn't the wrestlers be working to the crowd, and that defines a great match. It doesn't matter if you put on a technical clinic or a shitty ten second job match, if the crowd isn't into it, does it really matter?
I'm with you on this one. I absolutely loved the WM VI match between them. That was awesome.

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Hogan can just stand in the ring and do nothing and it's one the most entertaining things you will see.He is without a doubt the greatest of all time.
Agreed. Hogans charisma is just unreal. He's a larger then life character.

That's something in the Hogan character you just love.

Like Vince said "When he's there, it's an aura, the rest of the world just disappear"




Just look. Hogan dosent even speak here. But it's still so much love in that building.

Just amazing.

Hogan even cried.

People say wrestling is fake, yes it's script, but the emotions are real.

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Agreed. Hogans charisma is just unreal. He's a larger then life character.

That's something in the Hogan character you just love.

Like Vince said "When he's there, it's an aura, the rest of the world just disappear"




Just look. Hogan dosent even speak here. But it's still so much love in that building.

Just amazing.

Hogan even cried.

People say wrestling is fake, yes it's script, but the emotions are real.

That is so amazing. People were crying in the building to. Even Hogan cried.

What a moment. So much memories from Hogan and what he did for this business.
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Hey, the guy is good enough to get a leg drop over .... he's da man
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Wrestling wise I'd say that with him it just so happens to be that "less is more" and his move set worked for him and that's all that matters. I'm pretty sure he knew how to do ALOT more than he did in the ring. He just did what worked the best for him and that's really the smartest way to go about it.
Everything else he is unquestionably great at; mic skills, charisma, working the crowd, match psychology. And I think all of those qualities mesh with your "wrestling skills" anyways. I guess I'm just more of a story/character builder type of guy. It really depends on how you define "wrestling skillz"

if you're a technical junkie then you probably don't enjoy Hogan matches too much.
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people say hogan was a genius at working at the crowd.. i just think he got lucky.. the ear thing.. hulk up.. i dont know
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Ok let's say it was "luck" then at least he was smart to work with what the audience was responding to.

I don't like the fact that today's wrestlers have to stick to the script so to speak and avoid crowd reactions. It looks stupid like the Orton/Sheamus match on RAW a couple of weeks back and the end of Mania looks silly with Rock and Cena disregarding all the boos in a passing of the torch people didn't want to see.

If Hogan was lucky then it sure was lady luck on his side in the AWA when crowds were chanting "bullshit" when he didn't win the title there. Hogan wasn't doing the Hulk Up then like in the wwf.
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I guess it depends on how you define a good worker. Story-telling and psychology he is up there at the top. Crowd manipulation? No one even comes close to Hogan, including The Rock. If your definition of a good worker is technical ability, i.e Dean Malenko, Dynamite Kidd type caliber, he is nowhere near the top.

It's like what the veterans always say, "slow it down", it seems (especially in the indies) that high pace action and spot after spot are what people view as a good match, but that completely irradiates story-telling and psychology in some cases.

A perfect example of difference in judging a match is Ultimate Warrior vs Hulk Hogan. I consider it to be a 4 1/2 to 5 star match, some people tend to shit on it. But when you watch the match, Warrior gets a bigger pop winning a test of strength against Hogan in the beginning than Ziggler got winning a title recently. For me the crowd is a huge part of a wrestling match, because ultimately shouldn't the wrestlers be working to the crowd, and that defines a great match. It doesn't matter if you put on a technical clinic or a shitty ten second job match, if the crowd isn't into it, does it really matter?
Tha is the winner of this thread. The best reply I have seen in years. Could not agree more.

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Where would I place Hogan? In a retirement home in Tampa.

But seriously...

mat skills - Next to none. He has never really shown any real mat skill. A star of his type doesn't need it though.

Overall, Hogan sucked at wrestling but was a genius at working the crowd, which is what he really needed to excel at anyway.
I take it taht you have not seen any of Hogans matches in Japan, or his match against Bret Hard on Nitro where he showed he could wrestle technically. Sure he is no Dynamite Kid. But he is still a very much accomplished wrestler. Hogan wrestled very smart, becasue he knew that the wrestling styles in USA and Canada was/is very different from the style they are wrestling in Japan, so he adapted. How many wrestlers did that?

And as Daniel Bryan recently said - "In WWE it does not matter if I am the best wrestler, because here it is more about the one who can entertain the people."
and with that said, people seem to not realize that wrestlingskills can be just one part of a successful formula in WWE. Hogan was mediocre at that, or at least above average, but in all those other factors such as Charisma, connect with the audience, star power, name value, size, body, look,given the right opponents no one came close to Hogan but Warrior in the late 1980's and early 1990's

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Hogan is probably the reason why wrestling got as big as it did. To this day he is the most recognized name when it comes to pro wrestling. Guy was also a better wrestler than people give him credit for.
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