Originally Posted by The Gorgeous One
I guess it depends on how you define a good worker. Story-telling and psychology he is up there at the top. Crowd manipulation? No one even comes close to Hogan, including The Rock. If your definition of a good worker is technical ability, i.e Dean Malenko, Dynamite Kidd type caliber, he is nowhere near the top.
It's like what the veterans always say, "slow it down", it seems (especially in the indies) that high pace action and spot after spot are what people view as a good match, but that completely irradiates story-telling and psychology in some cases.
A perfect example of difference in judging a match is Ultimate Warrior vs Hulk Hogan. I consider it to be a 4 1/2 to 5 star match, some people tend to shit on it. But when you watch the match, Warrior gets a bigger pop winning a test of strength against Hogan in the beginning than Ziggler got winning a title recently. For me the crowd is a huge part of a wrestling match, because ultimately shouldn't the wrestlers be working to the crowd, and that defines a great match. It doesn't matter if you put on a technical clinic or a shitty ten second job match, if the crowd isn't into it, does it really matter?
Tha is the winner of this thread. The best reply I have seen in years. Could not agree more.
Where would I place Hogan? In a retirement home in Tampa.
mat skills - Next to none. He has never really shown any real mat skill. A star of his type doesn't need it though.
Overall, Hogan sucked at wrestling but was a genius at working the crowd, which is what he really needed to excel at anyway.
I take it taht you have not seen any of Hogans matches in Japan, or his match against Bret Hard on Nitro where he showed he could wrestle technically. Sure he is no Dynamite Kid. But he is still a very much accomplished wrestler. Hogan wrestled very smart, becasue he knew that the wrestling styles in USA and Canada was/is very different from the style they are wrestling in Japan, so he adapted. How many wrestlers did that?
And as Daniel Bryan recently said - "In WWE it does not matter if I am the best wrestler, because here it is more about the one who can entertain the people."
and with that said, people seem to not realize that wrestlingskills can be just one part of a successful formula in WWE. Hogan was mediocre at that, or at least above average, but in all those other factors such as Charisma, connect with the audience, star power, name value, size, body, look,given the right opponents no one came close to Hogan but Warrior in the late 1980's and early 1990's
Hogan is probably the reason why wrestling got as big as it did. To this day he is the most recognized name when it comes to pro wrestling. Guy was also a better wrestler than people give him credit for.
Could not agree more