Originally Posted by Alden Heathcliffe
Eh? Dammit, first DualShock, now you. At least you had the decency not to neg me, so I appreciate that.
And the rest of that is pretty much all conjecture. You don't have any figures to back up your claims. Bret's years on top in '94 and '93 weren't Hogan years or Austin years, thats true, he's not a big draw but he got them by. Compare that to Michaels in '96 and Diesel in '95, where the WWE nearly went out of business and it's clear who's years on top were superior.
He went with Michaels because he knew Bret wasn't a draw and was experimenting with other talents to see who could take them to the next level. He never went all the way with Luger, which made sense, he wasn't much of a star outside of the Southern territories, much like Flair. Diesel he tried hard to push and anyone with half a brain could tell that he failed. Michaels was pushed as well, because he was a talented guy, a wrestling magazines favourite, and he was on good terms with him. And it didn't turn out great either. '97 was Bret's year, the Undertaker's year and Austin's year. After '96, when Bret left thanks to injury, exhaustion etc. and the WWE took a dive in business he knew Michaels wasn't a sufficient draw to keep them afloat. He came back, was put in an angle with a man the WWE was clearly going to build up as a top heel and eventually a top face and he was at the focal point of most every major feud in '97. He even got his title back.
The point stands, Bret couldn't be hurt by the Kliq and that much is obvious because he was always the face of WWE's programming at the time and he was popular, and though not at all wildly so he was still McMahon's go to man when things weren't working out. I don't know where you got buried from. Even after his run in the WWE there was a lot of interest in Bret, which WCW promptly wasted and then Austin came in.
There really wasn't a whole lot for Bret to do outside of what I suggested when it came to getting screwed. He could have called Vince out on that contract he offered which Vince couldn't have paid anyway or he could have taken the job or faked his way out of it.
I'm not saying Bret is the best of all time, but much like you sig says, he was the best the WWE had at the time. Considering no one ever passed the torch to him in a major way as it typical when the guard changes, WWE's thin, barley existent midcard, and their outdated lower card scene it's rather impressive Bret and Michaels were able to at least help the WWE through the times. They both put over the man who would become the company's biggest star and I think on the whole, Bret's hard work should at least be respected.
I don't have any "Numbers" to back my claim that Bret drew bad? So show me YOUR numbers. Why should I bring numbers? 1993 and 1994 were bad and that's a fact. What is the smallest buyrate for an In Your House event? Bret-Bulldog...
Shawn couldn't draw well in the Ratings because... the nWo was against him. Bret couldn't draw better.
"The point stands, Bret couldn't be hurt by the Kliq and that much is obvious because he was always the face of WWE's programming at the time and he was popular, and though not at all wildly so he was still McMahon's go to man when things weren't working out. I don't know where you got buried from. Even after his run in the WWE there was a lot of interest in Bret, which WCW promptly wasted and then Austin came in"
Not since 1996... Sorry, but Bret felt like he was buried and he deserved it, because he just couldn't do it. He wasn't that successful.
Bret wasn't the best at that time... You've had Taker and Savage.
Originally Posted by ShowStopper '97
What Bret drew in 1994 compared to Diesel in 1995 and HBK in 1996 is more than balanced out when you take into consideration Nitro didn't exist in 1994. Nitro started in September of 1995. And in 1996 the NWO started and is what HBK (and the WWF) had to deal with week in and week out. When Bret was champion in 1993 and 1994, his "drawing" (or lack there of) didn't have much competition. HBK kept the WWF afloat while it went up against WCW's biggest angle of all time, and the hottest period in WCW history.
Green rap for that, Bret drew bad without competition! Heck, he got a bad ratings when WCW had no champion, and that was before their winning streak!
Superdog nailed it.
Bret Hart had a huge ego and was not a perfect human being.
But he was not a bully like the Kliq and Shawn.
A shame that life is so unfair and Bret is now a cripple while Shawn can go hunting
No. The "stories" about the Kliq are from wrestlers like Mabel, Douglas, The Harris brothers... They are nothing.
Bret wasn't a bully? Maybe, but he was arrogant. He was such an asshole.
And life are fair, and now Bret is crippled.
We can clearly see in your location that you are from Israel ,why do you feel the need to tell us this in every 10th or so post from you? Another thing that comes off as a bit troll-ish.
We can clearly see that you worship Bret at everything, so why troll us, Bret monkey?