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Welcome, one and all, to the now weekly Monday Night Wars Club!

I'm going to begin uploading these week by week for the next few weeks to see if we can generate a bit more conversation and discussion on each one, then when we've developed a good following to the threads, switch it back to twice-weekly.

I implore everyone who watches these to comment in this thread and join the discussion. Last week, someone complained that Raw wasn't there and then never commented in the thread again, which I think isn't cool. When I had this idea, upto 100 people seemed up for it, and I was really looking forward to getting into it and discussing things with you all, and so in switching it up a bit I'm hoping to collect more people into it each week.

Thanks a lot to those who have sent rep my way, and joined the discussion, and taught me a thing or two so far. I'm glad we're all enjoying it!

Let's get into it...



PART 1 | PART 2
Spoiler for Quick Update of what occurred last week...:
Crush defeated Ahmed Johnson to continue the feud between Johnson and the NOD, after showing footage of Savio joining the Nation on the Saturday before. The Fatal Four Way between Steve Austin, Bret Hart, Vader & The Undertaker is a few weeks away and they each had mic time, along with Shawn Michaels, to say how they're going to win the match. There was tension between the tag champs Bulldog & Owen Hart, which was settled with a handshake, and the Paul Bearer-led team of Vader & Mankind, after Mankind "accidentally" hit Vader with a chair and then smiled, leading to The Godwinns to defeat them and win the main event.

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PART 1 | PART 2
Spoiler for Quick Update of what occurred last week...:
Steiners defeated The Faces of Fear after giving back the tag title to The Outsiders after Bischoff threatened them and fired Randy Anderson for what happened at Souled Out. The Giant defeated Roadkill and called out Hogan, who in the main event fought The Giant to the normal no contest after the NWO interfered. Jeff Jarrett defeated US Champ Eddie Guererro after Mongo hit Jeff on the noggin with the briefcase, to the angst of Debra who was not impressed with her husband. Ultimo Dragon and Lex Luger won squash matches. Horsemen beat the Rugeaus, and then declared their Unity although didn't really seem to get along. The Outsiders beat a jobber team featuring the future Crowdbar. Taskmaster beat a jobber, then helped Hugh Morrus defeat Benoit by hitting him with a chair, after Jackie had debuted and confronted Woman, and Jimmy Hart said ladies weren't needed in wrestling. Piper was announced as the challenger to Hogans belt at the next PPV.

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Old 03-25-2013, 07:58 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I appreciate you taking the time. I'm not much for commenting on boards so I will break out of my shell more.
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RAW

So Feb/March 97 is a huge point of transition for the WWF and Monday Night Raw. I won't say too much more than that in case some of you are watching for the first time and don't know all of what is to come, but suffice it to say that a lot will be changing in this time frame.

This week's RAW -- Royal Rumble RAW as it was billed -- was an attempt to pull out all the stops and improve the quality of the show, a haymaker thrown at WCW and Nitro after a year of jabs, if you will. Toronto's Skydome hosts this edition of RAW, and a raucous crowd of over 25,000 fans are in attendance. Pretty stark change from the ordinarily tiny crowds RAW had been hosting.

Perhaps most important to note is that this is the first 2-hour RAW. Change is in the air...

And with those two hours more superstars get air time and more feuds are developed. A big step forward.

Austin and Vader open the show with a sloppy brawl. Austin gets a pretty good reaction from the Toronto crowd. Canadians are always ahead of the curve, eh? Have to say the buildup to the big Fatal 4-Way has been pretty damn good thus far.

I'm not into much of what comprised the meat of the show: pre-Rock NOD, HHH/Wildman, Owen and Davey slowly dissolving. Not too enthralling.

Highlights of the program are the HBK and Sid promos (turn heel already, Shawn!) and the tag team brawl between Taker/Ahmed and Mankind/Faarooq that main-evented. Good stuff.

What an improvement over last week.
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I agree with 'Stache quite a bit.

Pros: interview w/ HBK vs BH + SCSA was A+. Only reason HBK leaves is to avoid jobbing to BH at WM13 bc he gets heat n pops, plenty of air time.
2 hours = more storyline.
Taker vs Mankind
Sid's crazy interviews

Cons: Something unlikable about Mero but he keeps getting shots. Like JJ in 95.
Ahmed and Farooq are too plodding. Need a quicker man in the match up.
Inconsistent announce teams.
Crush.
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ROYAL RUMBLE RAWWWWWW

What a great way to hype your next PPV, by constantly talking about the previous one! Genius.

They certainly did not need to have this Raw in the Skydome, it just looked so amateurish, like a televised house show with some promos. The atrocious lighting, sound (Bulldog's music was different) and levels (could barely hear the entrance music most of the time) and NO FINK didn't help it one bit either.

Nonetheless, it was a great start, with some hot brawling between Austin, Bret and Vader. Good preview of the upcoming four-way match. The match wasn't anything special without a clean finish, but then again a clean finish would've not made any sense, so it was the right choice.

Savio Vega turns heel to complete the first incarnation of the Nation Of Domination. I always loved Flash Funk as he was an awesome worker, god knows why Vince just didn't bring him in as Too Cold Scorpio. D'Lo Brown still the whipping boy in a suit get mauled, and Savio wins against the jobber.

Creepy desperately trying to get in Peta Wilson's panties. He was utterly obsessed with that Le Femme Nikita show, more so than they are today with the movie clips. Glad the fascination didn't last too long.

Furnas and La Fon were an awesome team, pity they had zero personality. The story continues showing dissension between Bulldog and Owen, really teasing for a Bulldog face turn. Well, you have to be considered a face with Owen in tow, who was just born to be a heel.

Goldust and Crush...meeeeeh. TREBLE H makes an appearance to remind everyone that he still has beef with Goldust, but this match was dull as fuck.

Blackjacks vignette! I wasn't aware they had filmed any vignettes. If I had seen this when it aired I would've thought 'why are these two grandads going to be a tag team?' but of course, they weren't utilised AT ALL.

Shawn Michaels interview yapping away like a heel in Canada. He's the champion here but would show his true colours the next week because he LAYS DOWN FOR NOBODYYYY. Another Bret-Austin brawl heh.

JR: 'We expect great things from Tiger Ali Singh'. Pity he didn't debut for another SIX months after this, and yeah he sucked.

HHH-Mero. Was never a fan of Mero, even though I never thought he was a bad worker. Decent match, but this was the start of Hunter's big push and he wasn't losing here.

Bit of a nothing main event. Why was Mankind teaming up with Faarooq? His feud with Taker was pretty much over at this point. Ooh Vader's here, NOW I know why. Continuing the dissension between him and Mankind, pity it never really went anywhere. Taker with a tombstone to Mankind on a chair. Crowd goes home happy to end a decent episode of Raw compared to the previous few weeks. TWO HOUR ERA BEGINS.
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The only way was up from here for the WWE.
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Nitro

Pretty sick of the Horseman in-fighting. Jarret and Mongo never should have been near that faction, so their feud is just the shits. But how good did Nancy look this week? I was so in love with her as a pubescent 13 year old. Hubba hubba.

Steiners vs. Harlem Heat was decent until the finish. WCW almost always had a solid tag division.

DDP was so over. That Diamond Cutter off the top was pretty great. Knowing that DDP has devoted his time to health and fitness and helping others after leaving wrestling just makes me mark for him in retrospect.

End of the show . . . hmmm. They really were trying to amp up the reality of the show with Piper bringing out his kid and referring to Hogan as "Terry." It certainly worked to a degree as it got Hogan some crazy heat. Crowd was loving Piper after he went nuts and started walloping Hogan. "San Francisco, watch my fists go!" Fuck yeah! I haven't seen the SB match and given the age and the technical prowess of these two it's probably too much to hope for a bout that isn't a letdown with regard to workrate. Yet I'm pumped for it. Piper always pumps me up. Pretty cool image at the end of the show with him hoisting his kid up with the belt as the tyke flashes a peace sign.

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This week's ratings:

RAW: 2.6 (+0.4)
Nitro: 3.1 (-0.5)

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This week's ratings:

RAW: 2.6 (+0.4)
Nitro: 3.1 (-0.5)
I always thought Nitro was at least a point ahead of WWF at this point. Is WWF picking up pace, wcw ratings dropping or was it just never a whole point??
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I always thought Nitro was at least a point ahead of WWF at this point. Is WWF picking up pace, wcw ratings dropping or was it just never a whole point??
Most of the time, yeah, Nitro's advantage was a point or more. Nitro won the battle the week previous 3.6 to 2.2.

As this was a gimmick RAW, WWF got a temporary bump, basically stealing a half point each way from WCW. The last time WWF was within 1/2 a point or less of Nitro was Aug 96. Things would get back to normal by the next week. Half a point is about as close as RAW would get to Nitro in 97.

There are even a few weeks where WCW's viewership is roughly double that of RAW's, including a rather infamous Monday night coming up fairly soon.

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Most of the time, yeah, Nitro's advantage was a point or more. Nitro won the battle the week previous 3.6 to 2.2.

As this was a gimmick RAW, WWF got a temporary bump, basically stealing a half point each way from WCW. The last time WWF was within 1/2 a point or less of Nitro was Aug 96. Things would get back to normal by the next week. Half a point is about as close as RAW would get to Nitro in 97.

There are even a few weeks where WCW's viewership is roughly double that of RAW's, including a rather infamous Monday night coming up fairly soon.
Yeah I thought WWF having the Rumble on a few weeks after the PPV would spike it's ratings up.

Oh really half a point in 1997? Thanks for that factoid man. I never really knew if it was 1997 or 1998 that WWF caught up, and didn't know that around No Way Out 1998 WWF were still behind. I suppose Austin/Michaels/Tyson really helped turn things around.
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