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Old 03-11-2013, 01:10 PM   #11 (permalink)
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This is such a great idea! As I said in the other thread, I have subscription for Classics On Demand. The Monday Night War is a fantastic show on there, and I watch it all the time. The only problem is that the only have 2 episodes of Raw and Nitro per month, so having this club here will definitely be awesome.
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:28 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I've watched Raw, certain spoiler-y bits ahead so you might want to skip this until after you've seen it.....
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I can't tell out of Shawn and Sid who is suppose to be the face and the heel? If Lothario wasn't involved and Sid didn't end the show with such a heel act, I would honestly think Sid was the good guy due to the way Shawn was acting (stripping on the announce desk,) and the crowds reaction to the big man. I seem to remember Sid as being over a LOT as a heel, in early WCW too. Crowds just loved the guy. He had a great look I'll give him that, he was a tank.

What I think I loved a lot about this era, if I remember correctly and this show proves so far, is that certain stars weren't suffering with overkill. I can't remember whether they were injured or not, but people like Stone Cold and Undertaker aren't even on the show, and guys like Stone cold, Undertaker, Bulldog, Triple H etc are talked about but more in a Look what's coming in the future way and I kind of like that. I feel like they do it right with an hours worth of a show, they don't try and feature them all at once.

I wonder what it was like for King to be out there supporting Shawn and commentating with him when apparently they didnt really get on? It looked like when King first spoke HBK gave him a bit of a look, but that may have just been anything.
At this time in early '97, a cultural change was starting to take place, both in wrestling and in society, in general. Heels started to get cheered more often, and bland, babyface characters were starting to get turned on by the fans (see Bret Hart). At this time, it's well known, as HBK himself has even said it many times over the years, that he wanted to be a heel at this time. Hell, he even wanted to be a heel in 1996 when he won the title. He says this on his "My Journey" DVD, too. Add on to that, HBK did those things (taking his shirt off) to piss people off. He LOVED getting underneath peoples skin. It annoyed Bret (kayfabe wise) and he would bring it up in his interviews on TV (and off TV to make it seem like they really hated eachother, which they didn't, but was Bret's idea to work the fans, as he says on the "Greatest Rivalries" DVD) that HBK less than a man. So, as a result, Shawn did it to piss him off (kayfabe wise, and who knows, possibly for real, too). In reality, HBK and Bret didn't really start to truly loathe one another until Bret kept "working the fans" with his Shawn bashing while Bret was a Free Agent and talking to WCW about signing with them before he ultimately decided to stay with the WWF.

But in the middle of this feud that Bret had concocted to work the fans into thinking they really hated eachother, the culture change of heels getting cheered and faces getting booed happened to take place. So, it kind of fucked around with their storyline alittle bit. It really was a beyond interesting year in the WWF with the HBK/Bret feud and the culture change. It'll be something that will never be replicated again because it's impossible to replicate the change in the fanbase and society in those years.
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What I found most amazing was how much the company changed in half a year. They went from Fake Diesel to having Kane show up in the biggest and best thought out story lines in the history of the company. They went from having Lothario as Shawn Michaels' manager to him having Triple H and Chyna and forming D-Generation-X.
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:47 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Spoiler for Raw thoughts:
This was around the time when Nitro were destroying Raw in the ratings, and it shows. Raw was very underwhelming at this stage, but fortunately for them, these would be the last days of being in this slump. Just a month or so after this episode, Raw would be extended to two hours and would debut under the RAW IS WAR format, which changed the product instantly. This was a MAJOR transition period for the WWF.

Despite it being PG, you could tell the WWF was certainly planting the seeds for their edgier product. Shotgun Saturday Night was just starting it's assault on nightclubs around the country but would soon be turned into the jobber TV show months later. The line between heels and babyfaces started to get very blurry, as evidenced by Sid, HBK, Owen, Bulldog and Austin. Were these guys faces or heels? We just didn't know.

The Flying Nuns were ditched pretty much straight after their debut, but they would be repackaged not soon afterwards as The Headbangers. Diesel and Razor would soon be history after their match with Furnas and Lafon also. Fake Diesel was a handful, but Fake Razor absolutely sucked.

All in all, a pretty ordinary show. Good opening match and main event, with surprising victors. Is it me, or did it look like there was a pinfall botch at the end of the first match? Wasn't expecting the ref to count to three at all.


I'll post Nitro thoughts up soon.
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Old 03-11-2013, 01:52 PM   #15 (permalink)
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What I found most amazing was how much the company changed in half a year. They went from Fake Diesel to having Kane show up in the biggest and best thought out story lines in the history of the company. They went from having Lothario as Shawn Michaels' manager to him having Triple H and Chyna and forming D-Generation-X.
That's what stood out for me aswell. Drastic times call for drastic measures, they had to respond to WCW's booming product, and quick!

Enter Vince Russo!
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Another solution is to just download a program like TubeTilla so you can download the episodes to your PC.
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Default Re: MONDAY NIGHT WARS CLUB: Monday January 6th 1997

Nitro is kicking Raw's ass at this point. If you showed a non-wrestling fan both shows for just one minute each, they would say Nitro was the better product because it simply looked 'cooler' at this point. Obviously Raw would slowly get edgier and they needed something to counter against the huge success of the nWo.
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:27 PM   #18 (permalink)
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The Intro to Nitro alone is getting me quite emotional, looking back. The nostalgia of the commercial ads also makes me happy, as apose to the crappy world we live in now with all the rubbish on TV nowadays with all this reality rubbish and social media.

Anyway, WCW is streets ahead at this point IMO
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:32 PM   #20 (permalink)
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This is really cool, I'm gonna watch both shows. I've never watched WCW before, so I can finally watch it through in order now.
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