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Old 02-21-2013, 09:36 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Yokozuna lost money. He was a stale champion. He got Bret over? LOL. Bret became over by the feuds with Perfect, Piper, Bulldog, Shawn and Owen. And especially by Flair. But by feuding with Yoko? Yoko was an Anti-Star.

About him being a good guy backstage- So what? Kane was a nice guy as well. Al Snow was. Do you want them to be the champions?

Yokozuna shouldn't be champion because his character was so outdated. And even if the WWE were losing stars- Why to use YOKO to replace those stars instead of someone that was actually good?
Firstly, I will not be dragged into "My opinion is right, yours is wrong" debate, but I will reply.

I didn't say Yokozuna got Bret Hart over, I said the character of Yokozuna helped get Bret over as a main event-world champion wrestler. Yokozuna, again the character, was built as an indestructible champion and an anti-American, and even though Bret Hart was Canadian, him defeating the Yoko character helped elevate him. I don't deny, at all, that Bret got himself over through matches, but in defeating someone like Yokozuna, as his billing, helped Bret out as a viable world champion.

Now, Yokozuna may have lost money but why should I care about that as a fan? If it was affecting me today, say the WWE was draining money away and it's champions were losing it, then I would say yes the loss of money could affect me as it could affect the whole product I'm currently watching, yet why would someone "losing money" 20 years ago affect my opinion of the man today?

Now, to your other two points, you are writing like I wrote those to spite and contradict you, whereas I was giving my opinion on the thread subject, which was, loosely, what I thought about Yokozuna. In saying he was a nice guy I was referring to the fact that he was a nice guy... What's wrong with that? Where did I use that as a reason why he should become champion? I didn't. All I said was in response to the threads subject, and my thoughts on Yokozuna.

Again, your final point, I agree - Why didn't they get someone better to replace these stars who were leaving. Yet I can see why they thought a 500lb wrestler with an anti-American gimmick could get over and then pushed him.

You replied to me with points contradicting my post like I had done the same for yours, which as you can read I didn't. I gave my opinion about the wrestler Yokozuna. I await your reply and your break down of what I said with glee, as you seem to be the #1 Yokozuna hater that even when somebody says something nice about the man that isn't aimed anywhere at what you said, you still feel the need to counteract, reply and deny them the right to like the man.
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Old 02-21-2013, 09:41 AM   #22 (permalink)
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If anything, Bret got Yokozuna over.


Regarding his weight, it was his own personal goal to get as big as possible. IIRC, WWE took him off TV and said they would bring him back if he lost weight but he didn't want to.
Ahh, really? Thanks for the info, mate. I think it must have been Mark Henry I read they asked to put the mass back on. It's a scary thought someone would want to be that big. He was probably about six foot tall, give or take a few inches, anything over 300lb would push it and I remember reading he was nearing double that. Shocking that it was his goal to try and keep getting bigger.

I remember he was on morning television in the UK what must have been just before he died, and he was on a bed with the co-presenter as the set was apparently a house, and he just dwarfed the bed completely.
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Old 02-21-2013, 09:51 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Firstly, I will not be dragged into "My opinion is right, yours is wrong" debate, but I will reply.

I didn't say Yokozuna got Bret Hart over, I said the character of Yokozuna helped get Bret over as a main event-world champion wrestler. Yokozuna, again the character, was built as an indestructible champion and an anti-American, and even though Bret Hart was Canadian, him defeating the Yoko character helped elevate him. I don't deny, at all, that Bret got himself over through matches, but in defeating someone like Yokozuna, as his billing, helped Bret out as a viable world champion.

Now, Yokozuna may have lost money but why should I care about that as a fan? If it was affecting me today, say the WWE was draining money away and it's champions were losing it, then I would say yes the loss of money could affect me as it could affect the whole product I'm currently watching, yet why would someone "losing money" 20 years ago affect my opinion of the man today?

Now, to your other two points, you are writing like I wrote those to spite and contradict you, whereas I was giving my opinion on the thread subject, which was, loosely, what I thought about Yokozuna. In saying he was a nice guy I was referring to the fact that he was a nice guy... What's wrong with that? Where did I use that as a reason why he should become champion? I didn't. All I said was in response to the threads subject, and my thoughts on Yokozuna.

Again, your final point, I agree - Why didn't they get someone better to replace these stars who were leaving. Yet I can see why they thought a 500lb wrestler with an anti-American gimmick could get over and then pushed him.

You replied to me with points contradicting my post like I had done the same for yours, which as you can read I didn't. I gave my opinion about the wrestler Yokozuna. I await your reply and your break down of what I said with glee, as you seem to be the #1 Yokozuna hater that even when somebody says something nice about the man that isn't aimed anywhere at what you said, you still feel the need to counteract, reply and deny them the right to like the man.
Let's see:

Yokozuna was an unstoppable champion- WRONG! He lost to Luger, Hogan, Bret, Undertaker, Randy Savage... All of those guys almost defeated Yoko (By "Almost" I mean they were about to win but someone ran in to DQ Yokozuna). He was as dominate as the Honky Tonk Man.

Anti American- See, that's why the WWE lost so much fans back then. It's like saying that Johnny Ace got Punk over by establishing Punk as this anti-authority guy. No one wanted to see a Patriotic storyline in 1993, especially with Japan! I mean, USA didn't had any war with Japan back then. So Yoko's character was outdated. They thought that a 500 lbs anti american monster would work in a time where Vince started losing touch with what the fans wanted at the time.

Yokozuna was a nice guy backstage. He was a cool human being. But your basic point- That he should've been a champion- is wrong. And I hate Yokozuna- I don't hate Rodney Anoai.

Yokozuna screamed "1980s Jobber-to-Hogan". How exactly was he a good matrial for a champ?

People are making Yokozuna into some kind of a good champion, while he clearly wasn't. He was one of the factors for the darkest time in wrestling.
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yoko is up there with likes of vader, and bam bam, for big men who could actually wrestle/ have athleticism
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yoko is up there with likes of vader, and bam bam, for big men who could actually wrestle/ have athleticism
Yep, agree with that. Don't know if Yoko was athletic as the other two in their prime, but definitely up there overall. Would be a hell of a triple threat! Haha.
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Yeah he was from 1992-1995. Then he got to big and his career suffered as a result.
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Can't believe there are actually people here on this site trying to bash Yokozuna. First thing I think about is though the man was absolutely HUGE he actually COULD wrestle. If you are one of the people bashing Yoko without acknowledging this, you need to learn how to discuss instead of argue. Yoko's in ring moves were very solid. A crescent kick to the throat is damn inmpressive when you are 400 pounds. Yoko could actually move. Did he deserve the title? What kind of question is that? Sure he deserved the title. He did a great job at playing the Heel and that of course puts over his opponents because the fans want the face to win sooo badly.

Something people are forgetting...

Remember the body slam competition?

I know everyone remembers it because it was really one of the BEST moments of the post Golden Era and pre attitude era. Lex Lugar flying in after Macho Man and a few others failed and slamming Yokozuna for a shot at the Belt!! Lugar giving Yoko the elbow to daze him and then legitally body slamming him?

Are you really trying to sit here and say that isn't good heel work???

This was a very memorable WWE especially when you talk about the time span of after Hogan left.

Yoko deserved to be champion and he catapulted Lugar to WWF stardom while doing it. You might dispute this by saying "lugar sucked blah blah" but as a kid watching the WWE in the mid 90s, Lugar was pretty fun to watch and Vince definitely made money off of kids like me who wanted to see the VHS Summerslam 1993 with Lugar and Yoko on the cover. It has actually been awhile since I've seen that match but Isn't that where Lugar was hoisted on the shoulders of the WWE faces as they celebrated his victory??
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I've always been a Yokozuna fan. He had a very interesting ring style for a guy that size. Not as good as Bam Bam Bigelow or Vader, but he was right below them. (Plus, keep in mind, Yokozuna was significantly bigger than Bam Bam. Vader was just a freak of nature in general). He played the role of the silent monster very well, and I liked the dynamic between him and Mr. Fuji.

Was he the best possible choice to hold the title at the time? By no means. But imo, he's far from the worst champion ever. I'd take his reign over Diesel's any day of the week.
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Can't believe there are actually people here on this site trying to bash Yokozuna. First thing I think about is though the man was absolutely HUGE he actually COULD wrestle. If you are one of the people bashing Yoko without acknowledging this, you need to learn how to discuss instead of argue. Yoko's in ring moves were very solid. A crescent kick to the throat is damn inmpressive when you are 400 pounds. Yoko could actually move. Did he deserve the title? What kind of question is that? Sure he deserved the title. He did a great job at playing the Heel and that of course puts over his opponents because the fans want the face to win sooo badly.

Something people are forgetting...

Remember the body slam competition?

I know everyone remembers it because it was really one of the BEST moments of the post Golden Era and pre attitude era. Lex Lugar flying in after Macho Man and a few others failed and slamming Yokozuna for a shot at the Belt!! Lugar giving Yoko the elbow to daze him and then legitally body slamming him?

Are you really trying to sit here and say that isn't good heel work???

This was a very memorable WWE especially when you talk about the time span of after Hogan left.

Yoko deserved to be champion and he catapulted Lugar to WWF stardom while doing it. You might dispute this by saying "lugar sucked blah blah" but as a kid watching the WWE in the mid 90s, Lugar was pretty fun to watch and Vince definitely made money off of kids like me who wanted to see the VHS Summerslam 1993 with Lugar and Yoko on the cover. It has actually been awhile since I've seen that match but Isn't that where Lugar was hoisted on the shoulders of the WWE faces as they celebrated his victory??
No, he didn't deserve the title.

I'm sorry, but he didn't make any money. YOU maybe paid to see him, but the WWE lost money those years. Yoko was just not relevant to the culture!

Luger was a star when he came in to the WWE. People knew him from WCW.

And Yoko's "Good heel work" was the same as Honky Tonk Man's work as an IC champ. Doesn't mean he was fit as a champ. Yoko lost everytime, against everyone- He just never lost his title because he got counted out or DQed. That's why he sucked.

And About Summerslam- Celebrating after you win by Count out and won't have another title shot until Wrestlemania, doesn't make you look so good.
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Can't believe there are actually people here on this site trying to bash Yokozuna. First thing I think about is though the man was absolutely HUGE he actually COULD wrestle. If you are one of the people bashing Yoko without acknowledging this, you need to learn how to discuss instead of argue. Yoko's in ring moves were very solid. A crescent kick to the throat is damn inmpressive when you are 400 pounds. Yoko could actually move. Did he deserve the title? What kind of question is that? Sure he deserved the title. He did a great job at playing the Heel and that of course puts over his opponents because the fans want the face to win sooo badly.

Something people are forgetting...

Remember the body slam competition?

I know everyone remembers it because it was really one of the BEST moments of the post Golden Era and pre attitude era. Lex Lugar flying in after Macho Man and a few others failed and slamming Yokozuna for a shot at the Belt!! Lugar giving Yoko the elbow to daze him and then legitally body slamming him?

Are you really trying to sit here and say that isn't good heel work???

This was a very memorable WWE especially when you talk about the time span of after Hogan left.

Yoko deserved to be champion and he catapulted Lugar to WWF stardom while doing it. You might dispute this by saying "lugar sucked blah blah" but as a kid watching the WWE in the mid 90s, Lugar was pretty fun to watch and Vince definitely made money off of kids like me who wanted to see the VHS Summerslam 1993 with Lugar and Yoko on the cover. It has actually been awhile since I've seen that match but Isn't that where Lugar was hoisted on the shoulders of the WWE faces as they celebrated his victory??
The body slam competition was gold! I didn't see it live, but when I did it was great. Using Yoko's huge assets to attempt to make a new star.

I think Luger won that match via count out, then won the Rumble with Bret that led to the 2 matches a WM. I remember the faces all hoisting Bret on their shoulders at Wrestlemania X, if you're thinking of that?
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