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How come the WWF never used him as an on air character? He would have been perfect when Flair debuted adding him to the Hennan and Hennig mix.

Making a new horsemen type stable that consisted 4 or 5 of the following Flair, AA, Dibiase, IRS, Blanchard, HBK, Bret Hart, Rick Martel, Sid, Big Bossman.
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My guess is that anything Horsemen like and JJ Dillon related was too WCW. And Vince then, more than ever, hated to acknowledge anything from the opposition.

Same reason Dusty became a midcarder and wore polka dots and Ronnie Garvin was kept below the midcard.
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My guess is that anything Horsemen like and JJ Dillon related was too WCW. And Vince then, more than ever, hated to acknowledge anything from the opposition.

Same reason Dusty became a midcarder and wore polka dots and Ronnie Garvin was kept below the midcard.
But Ronnie Garvin was never a top guy anyway. Regarding his push in JCP, it was said that all other babyfaces refused to win the belt from Flair just to lose it back at Starrcade. Garvin had nothing to lose, as he was 42 and near retirement.

I don't see the point of a 45 year old man who as a face, was shitted on more than Cena, being higher than he was.

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But Ronnie Garvin was never a top guy anyway. Regarding his push in JCP, it was said that all other babyfaces refused to win the belt from Flair just to lose it back at Starrcade. Garvin had nothing to lose, as he was 42 and near retirement.

I don't see the point of a 45 year old man who as a face, was shitted on more than Cena, being higher than he was.

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I never bought that excuse about the Top Baby Faces turning down the World Title. Barry Windham or Dusty would have taken the strap
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I never bought that excuse about the Top Baby Faces turning down the World Title. Barry Windham or Dusty would have taken the strap
Well, the deal was always that it was going to be short term, so Flair could win it back at Starrcade 1987 and break Harley Race's record. Furthermore, The Crocketts believed in a steady title reign with an occasional interruption, as well was feeling that Flair going in as the challenger would boost buyrates for their first PPV.

Supposedly, Dusty didn't want to be a hot shot champion, it was said that Windham wasn't ready and was also TV Champion at the time, Luger was a heel and they had no more big babyfaces besides Dusty & Windham.

And from everything I've read, I can only imagine that Magnum T.A.'s push to the title was going to pay off at JCP's first PPV.



Now, according to Garvin, he said he was sabotaged. He said Dusty was jealous of him and wasn't picked to win the title from Flair (which I don't believe). He says because of that, Dusty booked him as weak and stuck him with the 45 day "break" to train for the match with Flair, which Crockett explained on TV. He also claimed to be sabotaged because he dropped the belt in Chicago, instead of the Carolinas and was the first guy to drop the belt that never got a rematch.


So, I don't know. From everything I read, Crockett was the biggest Flair supporter in the world and Dusty slowly started blaming Flair for the future problems in JCP/WCW. Garvin knew before hand he was going to lose the belt 2 months later, as the first PPV was completely built around Flair and being he was the biggest draw, Crockett figured it was the perfect setting for him to regain the belt. Well, Vince ruined that and the Carolinas turned on Crockett, which fucked him MAJOR.
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Well, the deal was always that it was going to be short term, so Flair could win it back at Starrcade 1987 and break Harley Race's record. Furthermore, The Crocketts believed in a steady title reign with an occasional interruption, as well was feeling that Flair going in as the challenger would boost buyrates for their first PPV.

WHAT RECORD OF HARLEY RACE's was he breaking???? RACE was a 7 time champ and at this point Flair was a 5 time champ.

Supposedly, Dusty didn't want to be a hot shot champion, it was said that Windham wasn't ready and was also TV Champion at the time, Luger was a heel and they had no more big babyfaces besides Dusty & Windham.

That really makes no sense.... NIKITA was a FACE anything would have been better then Ronnie Garvin. Really no point to put the title on a guy who offered you nothing. Look at how long Tommy Rich rode the NWA title for.

And from everything I've read, I can only imagine that Magnum T.A.'s push to the title was going to pay off at JCP's first PPV.

Magnum TA was injured a year before.



Now, according to Garvin, he said he was sabotaged. He said Dusty was jealous of him and wasn't picked to win the title from Flair (which I don't believe). He says because of that, Dusty booked him as weak and stuck him with the 45 day "break" to train for the match with Flair, which Crockett explained on TV. He also claimed to be sabotaged because he dropped the belt in Chicago, instead of the Carolinas and was the first guy to drop the belt that never got a rematch.


So, I don't know. From everything I read, Crockett was the biggest Flair supporter in the world and Dusty slowly started blaming Flair for the future problems in JCP/WCW. Garvin knew before hand he was going to lose the belt 2 months later, as the first PPV was completely built around Flair and being he was the biggest draw, Crockett figured it was the perfect setting for him to regain the belt. Well, Vince ruined that and the Carolinas turned on Crockett, which fucked him MAJOR.

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Flair won the title in 1981 fro Race
Won it twice in 1983 from Harley Race & Carlos Carlon (NWA fails to recognize the Flair/Colon switch)
Won it twice in 1984 from Harley Race & Kerry Von Erich
Won it in 1986 from Dusty Rhodes
Won it in 1987 from Ronnie Garvin


I simply made a typo. At the time, JCP hyped it as being Flair's 7th World Title win.


And don't question me why Nikita wasn't given the belt. Storyline wise, Garvin had been feuding with Flair for months before winning the title, as him and kayfabe brother, Jimmy Garvin were feuding with the Horsemen. Koloff not getting the belt can simply be blamed on Crockett & Dusty, who in 1987, only cared about making Flair look good, especially after the Magnum T.A. accident, as he was planned to be the face of the company (watch the DVD). Not to mention, Koloff was at the time, TV Champion and in a feud with the UWF guys. Plus, he had a long run with Flair the year prior. I don't agree with Garvin getting the push but it made sense storyline wise and he held the belt for a little over 2 months. I never recall reading anything about Koloff ever being considered for the World Title, as Crockett wanted Flair and eventually Magnum.


And regarding Magnum T.A., it was revealed that the plan was for him to win the US Title for a 3rd time and be slowly groomed for the World Title, as Crockett was big on building the company around him. In JCP days, 13 months was more than enough to accomplish that. And I said I CAN ONLY ASSUME that Magnum would have gotten the belt at Starrcade, seeing as it was JCP's first PPV.

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Flair won the title in 1981 fro Race
Won it twice in 1983 from Harley Race & Carlos Carlon (NWA fails to recognize the Flair/Colon switch)
Won it twice in 1984 from Harley Race & Kerry Von Erich
Won it in 1986 from Dusty Rhodes
Won it in 1987 from Ronnie Garvin

JCP did no such thing... The Carlos Colon and 84 win over Race in New Zeland or Singapore were not acknowledge until 1993.. Flair won his 6th title by defeating Steamboat and his 7th title when he beat STING.

I simply made a typo. At the time, JCP hyped it as being Flair's 7th World Title win.


And don't question me why Nikita wasn't given the belt. Storyline wise, Garvin had been feuding with Flair for months before winning the title, as him and kayfabe brother, Jimmy Garvin were feuding with the Horsemen. Koloff not getting the belt can simply be blamed on Crockett & Dusty, who in 1987, only cared about making Flair look good, especially after the Magnum T.A. accident, as he was planned to be the face of the company (watch the DVD). Not to mention, Koloff was at the time, TV Champion and in a feud with the UWF guys. Plus, he had a long run with Flair the year prior. I don't agree with Garvin getting the push but it made sense storyline wise and he held the belt for a little over 2 months. I never recall reading anything about Koloff ever being considered for the World Title, as Crockett wanted Flair and eventually Magnum.

I thought you said Windham was the TV CHamp. FYI Starcade 1986 had US CHamp Nikita take on World Champ Flair in the Main EVent.


And regarding Magnum T.A., it was revealed that the plan was for him to win the US Title for a 3rd time and be slowly groomed for the World Title, as Crockett was big on building the company around him. In JCP days, 13 months was more than enough to accomplish that. And I said I CAN ONLY ASSUME that Magnum would have gotten the belt at Starrcade, seeing as it was JCP's first PPV.
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Simple mistake, Windham was the Western States Champion. You really expect me to go off memory 25 years ago, regarding a company that had approximately 8 different belts?



Bottom line, if you have a problem with what I'm saying, you have a problem with what Meltzer is saying.


Good job in getting your information from the prestigious "Wikipedia". If you only way to disagree is by searching Wikipedia, we might as well not talk. I suggest you download some JCP packs from XWT and I've proved my point.

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