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Re: Did Rock Screw Mankind?

I really don't see how he screwed Foley. It's not like his career took a hit because of it.

If you think Rock screwed Foley over based on that, you probably think Owen screwed over Austin, seeing as he didn't check to see how Austin was doing.

I'm willing to bet Rock felt bad about it and I doubt Foley even had a major problem with it, at least not to the extent people make it out to be. It got Foley over big time, as well and was probably one of the top 3 moments of his career that didn't involve Japan or getting his ear ripped off.
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Re: Did Rock Screw Mankind?

I don't see how this means Rock SCREWED Mankind. Match of the Year.

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For those that know the story which it seems many of you do - how long was Foley mad at Rock for this incident?
About two years. Foley wrote in his second book that he didn't even talk to Rock for about two years about it. Part of the reason was a planned heel turn in late 99. He kept his anger to deliver a big promo which would explain why he turned on the Rock.

He admitted that it was stupid on his part especially after the heel turn never came about and they decided to go with Triple H vs Cactus instead since they felt it would hurt Rocks babyface character.
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Randomly running into each other in the hallway, asking "How ya fellin'?" hours later and go check on someone after the match are two different things. I can understand Micks frustration.

Ok, Rock had the run-in to do, but that was about 60 minutes later and we're talking about two minutes it takes to go check on someone after the match. Time what was not a problem here.
Well, it wasn't random as they filmed everything. If you notice, they met each other right after Foley got the stitches in his head, Rock had to change back from his wrestling gear, then waited for his cue to do the run in to help Vince, it was all a process of 50 minutes and with the chaotic atmosphere backstage during a PPV, you can't really blame anyone for doing their job. If Foley thought that Vince will stop everything on the PPV just so Rock can come to check him, ESPECIALLY when he put himself in position to take more shots than what he planned, then he's even crazier.

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About two years. Foley wrote in his second book that he didn't even talk to Rock for about two years about it. Part of the reason was a planned heel turn in late 99. He kept his anger to deliver a big promo which would explain why he turned on the Rock.

He admitted that it was stupid on his part especially after the heel turn never came about and they decided to go with Triple H vs Cactus instead since they felt it would hurt Rocks babyface character.
You have the quote from the book? Sounds really petty from a guy like Foley and weird because he praised Rock plenty of times during that period. They also worked with each other on a weekly basis, from their feud, to Rock and Sock to Foley's commissioner run. Good thing that he at least realized how stupid it was.
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Not to mention, sitting his wife and two little kids in the front row to witness all of this. I lost respect for Foley here and not for Rock.
Dean Ambrose did to.
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Re: Did Rock Screw Mankind?

He didn't screw him whatsoever. But he did 'use' him for sure.

The Rock abused the position he was in ans dished out a relentless attack on Mick. It's actually quite savage.

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Re: Did Rock Screw Mankind?

Bret screwed Bret
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Re: Did Rock Screw Mankind?

I screwed Trish one time, does that count?
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Re: Did Rock Screw Mankind?

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He didn't screw him whatsoever. But he did 'use' him for sure.

The Rock abused the position he was in ans dished out a relentless attack on Mick. It's actually quite savage.
I agree. Perhaps 'screwed' is the wrong word. He definitely abused the trust that wrestlers have to have with eachother. I think a lot of people are failing to realize that The Rock (legend or not) was a piece of shit human being with really low morals........All that feel good shit about him game after he started making millions of dollars doing kid movies in hollywood.

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It's worth noting that there was much less stigma about unprotected chair shots to the head back in 1999. The business was build on excess at the time. Rock probably thought it was worth it to make a truly memorable match. I've seen the footage of the chair shot sequence many times too, and I honestly think if Foley didn't want to take them, he wouldn't have had too. He could have just lay down, called on audible and said 'this is the finish'. But he actually kept staggering about and didn't lose his footing while taking the barrage for shots. So I'm somewhat loathed to criticise Rock for what happened. If he could go back in time and change how it went down, I'm sure he would. It was just one of those things, I doubt he was really thinking about how many times he was hitting Foley and the potential long term effects. I certainly don't think it was a calculated move on his part. There's nothing else he's done in his career that suggests that would be the case.

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I agree. Perhaps 'screwed' is the wrong word. He definitely abused the trust that wrestlers have to have with eachother. I think a lot of people are failing to realize that The Rock (legend or not) was a piece of shit human being with really low morals........All that feel good shit about him game after he started making millions of dollars doing kid movies in hollywood.
Those comments have nothing to substantiate them apart from that one example, which as I've already addressed, I don't see as a delibrate attempt by the Rock to get more over. The guy was already over as hell. If you can give me any other evidence of the Rock being a piece of shit with low morals, then there might be more to this, but otherwise, I'd say you're full of shit. Pretty much everyone that's worked with The Rock has said that he's a nice guy that is so confident in his own abilities that he doesn't resort to political moves.

Also it's worth noting that Rock is a very safe worker, and rarely puts anyone's health at risk for his own sake. I know people will instantly point to the table spot in the Punk match, but that was a common Attitute Era spot, which Punk probably agreed to before the match. But you only have to look at the guys moveset to see that he prioritises safety.

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