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Old 01-31-2013, 06:16 AM   #41 (permalink)
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I vince just really dislikes it when people no-show PPVS or events

That seems to be the biggest reason he fired people, even in the days he struggled
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In this case, it's looking like 3 sides to the story. Warrior's side, Vince's side & the truth. And to be honest, we might not ever know the truth.

But, fact is the burial isn't because of him holding Vince up for money, it's a combination of shit that happened in 1991, 1992 and 1996 that made Vince totally dislike him and we might never know exactly why.

Warrior throwing that tantrum was smart on his behalf, as I've said countless times. But if I'm Vince, Warrior would have never been brought back after Summerslam 1991. It's also your opinion that Warrior/Savage made Wrestlemania 7 great but it's also a reason why Warrior wasn't champ going into Wrestlemania 7. And if he thought he should be making what Hogan made, that's where the problem started. Hogan was established before WWE, Warrior had to be built up, which led to him thinking he was a bigger star than he was and WWE realized they pushed him too far. His ego got too big and I don't think he ever lost clean in WWE.
Well obviously you are right, 3 sides of the story, but judging by looking at the Warrior interviews and videos, he seems like an unorthodox guy, but honest stand up guy with lots of integrity, who believes in right or wrong and are compared to others willing to defend his beliefs.

What I do disagree with you is the part that you should not bring him back, becasue none of us know what they talked about and how they settled their differences, and Warrior got back in 1992, from a business standpoint it was the smartest thing Vince could do at the time, because Hogan was elaving and WWF needed a big name wrestler, and I dare to say that Warrior was alomst, if not as big as Hogan. So from a makreting and business standpoint I think it was smart of Vince to bring Warrior back.

Maybe Warrior was entitled to make Hogan money, maybe he was not, who knows? But Warrior claimed that Hogan made like 4-5 times at least as much pay for WM 7 thasn Warrior, so say if Warrior made like 100.000 from WM7 while Hogan got 900.000, I see why Warrior wanted more money. He might not have been Hogan, but he was not way beneth him either, in fact Warrior was the second biggest star in the company. And as for the reason Warrior was not the champ going in to WM, many fans claim he "failed his title run", to me, he was not given with the right opponents which all champions need to have lined up for them. Hogan got to wrestle the biggest heel in the Company (Earthquake) While Warrior had to wrestle Rick Rude again (For the 4th time on TV). Also I've seen a discussion earlier that Hogan and slaugheter needed the title more than Warrior-Savage, because they already had the Career match. So IMO, Warrior might not have deserved the Hogan maoney, but he sure as hell, made WM7 along with Savage, and he was not lgithyears after Hogan in terms of star power. so at least he woudl have a reasonable payday. But It is not the first time Vince have underpaiedhis wrestlers. Hogan had the same problem in 2005. The Cliq also had those problems in 1994.

But as some people say that Warrior got fired in 1992, well there is two sides of that story too, and I do believe Warriors story on why he was fired more over WWF's story. According to WWF he got fired because he failed a steriod test. But according to Warrior, it was so much more than that, he and The Birtish Bulldog were scapegoats due to the upcomming steroid trial Vince was facing, so I understand why Vince fired him, and tbh, I dont think any of them would have been fired if it wasnt for this steroid trial.

Sure Warrior got a big ego, but so do many wrestlers who makes it. It is a natural thing. As for Warrior never losing clean, that had nothing to do with his ego, can you please give me an example of when he refused to lose clean?
To me, it was never the time for Warrior to pass the torch due to his departures in 1991, 1992 and 1996, so he never had the chance to lose clean since he was brought back to be THE guy for the company, so I dont see how it would be smart to have him lose clean early in his comebacks.
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In that case, Slaughter and Savage deserved a bigger payoff.

Again, nobody knows the truth. Obviously, Warrior is going to have a story different from Vince, as he's not going to paint himself as the bad guy.

And once again, him being buried has to do with more than the WM 7 payoff. Neither man is telling the real story, as both want to save face.

As a promoter, I would not have brought Warrior back, especially since he lasted no longer than 4-6 months everywhere else he went. I

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I never said Warrior refused to lose clean. But him being never booked to lose clean fed his ego and if you check my posts instead of engaging in a mark war, you'll see I blame Vince for creating Warriors ego. He was one of three guys who flipped out on Vince often.

And the reason is because he was pushed harder and faster than he should have been. Because he was very limited in the ring but they needed someone to replace Hogan on top.

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Did he ever talk about the premise of the move where he lifted his hands up and down before the finishing move? Was it from some movie, was it a work-out routine?
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yes the man is a giant cunt. some crazy ass too, but you gotta respect him for being that succesful without talent. The only thing he had was that bodybuilding physique and a ridiculous gimmick and dellusional promo's.
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In that case, Slaughter and Savage deserved a bigger payoff.

Again, nobody knows the truth. Obviously, Warrior is going to have a story different from Vince, as he's not going to paint himself as the bad guy.
Yep that is true, both wanting to save face, but after reading Lesnars and Asutins respective books regarding McMahon, I think Warrior is telling more of the truth than Vince, or at least Vince telling like 40% of the story while Warrior tells like 80% of the story

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I never said Warrior refused to lose clean. But him being never booked to lose clean fed his ego and if you check my posts instead of engaging in a mark war, you'll see I blame Vince for creating Warriors ego. He was one of three guys who flipped out on Vince often.

And the reason is because he was pushed harder and faster than he should have been. Because he was very limited in the ring but they needed someone to replace Hogan on top.

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yes the man is a giant cunt. some crazy ass too, but you gotta respect him for being that succesful without talent. The only thing he had was that bodybuilding physique and a ridiculous gimmick and dellusional promo's.
Well, crazy, no talent and what ever, he still is a multi millionare and I assume most of us here are not.
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Yep that is true, both wanting to save face, but after reading Lesnars and Asutins respective books regarding McMahon, I think Warrior is telling more of the truth than Vince, or at least Vince telling like 40% of the story while Warrior tells like 80% of the story
You see that is my whole vibe about it. Maybe Warrior was the complete prick in the situation, but the way Vince Mmcahon has done business ever since he took over I find it hard to feel sorry for him when the shoe is on the other foot.

Things like the Montreal screwjob was Vince tasting some of his own medicine with what he was doing in the 80's. It's a cut throat business. Right now there is a rumor about a certain wrestler and quite possibly over money about WrestleMania at this very moment.

I watch these dvds and so on and see for example the Monday Night War. The 80's Vince Mcmahon would do the same kind of practices of taking talent and buying out people, yet he painted a story of being an underdog who was victim to unfair business practices.

Hmmm....wonder why Vince was so worried about Bret showing up on Nitro with his belt if Bret wasn't useful anymore? It couldn't be he didn't want wcw doing the "Real World's Champion" angle he pulled off 5 years earlier could it? Or how about trying to BUY the NWA Champion before Starrcade in 1983?

Vince is an angel in all of these situations? I doubt it. What we do know is that he does rewrite history cause he can being the gate keeper to the industry.

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Bruno Sammartino has crapped on the modern wwf/e ever since he exited. He never got a railroad DVD. There is always two sides of the story I believe. I think the company thought like the IWC and made the DVD the way it was thinking everyone would agree. It backfired.

They even tried getting him into the HOF before guys like Savage who sure as hell deserve induction over him, yet he has more chance than Savage(regardless of the rumors).

Vince is strange like that because guys like Hall, Nash, and Luger scrwed him over more imo as they almost put a nail in the coffin for the company in the 90's after getting over 2 years promo as being the new generation of wrestling. We saw how wcw used that to its advantage. HBK would have done the same thing if he could have got out of that contract too in the mid 90's to jump ship.

Warrior is a strange dude and it's easy to make a dvd trying to capitalize on it imo.
Hall, Nash, and Luger didn't screw Vince over they took the better offer more money and less days working but they all honored their contracts. Warrior held VKM up for money, no showed events, and was a lunatic.
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Yep that is true, both wanting to save face, but after reading Lesnars and Asutins respective books regarding McMahon, I think Warrior is telling more of the truth than Vince, or at least Vince telling like 40% of the story while Warrior tells like 80% of the story


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Well, crazy, no talent and what ever, he still is a multi millionare and I assume most of us here are not.
No offense but it's just at times, I get the impression that you think I'm bashing Warrior but I'm really not.

He just seems to be a rather questionable individual and we know WWE policy, bury anybody who walks out/doesn't want to do business.

Apologies if I came off dickish.
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