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#1 ·
This is a must if you were in the chatbox tonight. Sticky plz.

Discuss all of the goodness of World Championship Wrestling that came from the moment Vince Russo came in from latter 1999, 2000, and the final months of 2001.



Seems as fitting as a place to start.
 
#9 ·
re: WCW Discussion Thread because people get asshurt about JUST RUSSO

yeah, FUCK at that quality when I own it on GOAT VHS. I mark for that match though. Why? I think we all know why.

oh and there is this...



This thread might be pretty haphazard level.

lolz, @ Headliner. I know right? Bischoff turns on Hogan so he goes back to nWo Hollywood Hogan to combat the New Blood. What wonderful logic.
 
#31 ·
re: WCW Discussion Thread because people get asshurt about JUST RUSSO

yeah, FUCK at that quality when I own it on GOAT VHS. I mark for that match though. Why? I think we all know why.

oh and there is this...



This thread might be pretty haphazard level.

lolz, @ Headliner. I know right? Bischoff turns on Hogan so he goes back to nWo Hollywood Hogan to combat the New Blood. What wonderful logic.
:lmao :lmao :lmao

GOAT Sid
 
#22 ·
re: WCW Discussion Thread because people get asshurt about JUST RUSSO

Russo thought that getting guys over meant they had to act like The Rock. Booker T stole Rock's finisher and tried to copy the way he dressed and talked. Juventud Guerrera completely stole Rock's gimmick in his drug inducted promos for months.
 
#56 ·
re: WCW Discussion Thread because people get asshurt about JUST RUSSO

All Observer quotes during the Russo era. Obviously he wasn't responsible for some, and he wasn't even in the company in the first couple quotes, but it don't matter. Hilarity at it's finest.

"DDP came out wearing an expensive shirt and doing gestures exactly like The Rock, talking about Flair liking to spank it, whack it and jack it" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: September 1, 1999.

"The Nitro Girls are expected to be back on the 10/11 Nitro. They were pulled for internal disagreements" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: September 18, 1999.

"Knobs beat Stevie Ray in a street fight in 3:53. Not as bad as it sounded on paper. Then again, decapitation sounds better than that match" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: September 18, 1999.

"Hall and Nash showed up and Gene interviewed them. (Hall) had a line about how Nash is working a retirement angle and said he'd be back wrestling when it was fun, and when Okerlund said it was fun, Hall told Okerlund that he hadn't been in the dressing room lately" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: September 18, 1999

"Kidman was remarkably alert in the ring after taking a 90 minute shower with Torrie Wilson" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: September 18, 1999

"Hogan and Flair did an interview together. When it got down to Flair cupping his ear and Hogan imitating Flair, it was like a bad comedy spoof" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: September 18, 1999

"The Nitro Girls are expected to be back on the 10/11 Nitro. They were pulled for internal disagreements" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: September 18, 1999

"The story about Disco being the Elephant Boy is just another worked story" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: September 18, 1999

"Knobs beat Stevie Ray in a street fight in 3:53. Not as bad as it sounded on paper. Then again, decapitation sounds better than that match" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: September 18, 1999

"I wish that dork with the red hair would get over Betty and find a girl with a personality. That's regarding Mayhem video game commercial they played 4,000 times in three hours, sometimes twice in the same break, which tells you about how well the real ads are selling these days" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: September 18, 1999

WCW FALL BRAWL FINAL POLL RESULTS
Thumbs up - 0
Thumbs Down - 67
- The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: September 20, 1999

"Shane Douglas said 'Saginaw, Michigan, are you ready?'. They were in Winston-Salem" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: September 20, 1999.

"The Demon vs. Vampiro feud was scheduled to go like this. Demon was to be revealed as the Son of the Devil, I swear I'm not making this up, who had turned good because he turned his back on his father. Vampiro would be revealed to have been sent down, or up, however the geography goes, to garner revenge. On the New Years Eve PPV, Demon would toss Vampiro into a vat of holy water, and when he got out, he'd change to a new character" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: September 20, 1999

"CG Afi, the Lodi fan who runs in every week, got popped in the eye legit by security at Nitro. Doug Dillinger was clued into the angle, local security wasn't. One of them chased him and punched him in the eye" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: September 22, 1999

"Bret Hart filmed a hip hop video this past week" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: September 22, 1999

"Bagwell then came out, without his gimmick, wearing an 'I'm doing a job' face, wrestling La Parka in a grudge match from Thursday, visibly showing he wasn't allowed to do anything on offense, and making La Parka look like an idiot, then laying down for the pin, getting right up and saying something to the effect of 'Russo, did I do the job right?'." - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: September 25, 1999.

"Goldberg speared a frail bald attorney, who got right back up and didn't sell it" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: September 25, 1999.

"They did a show long skit of them (Hall & Nash) trying to sneak into the building, including once with Nash acting like he was drunk and supposedly throwing up on Doug Dillinger" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: September 25, 1999

"Hall and Nash wore Villanos masks and tried to speak Spanish" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: September 25, 1999.

"It was apparent within five minutes that we can add color commentator to the list of things (wrestling, doing interviews and booking) that Kevin Nash can't handle. He started by saying that everyone said he was a bad booker but he was smart enough to book himself into a retirement angle so he doesn't have to take any bumps and still makes big money. He spent the rest of his show doing his 'I'm too cool for wrestling' gimmick, which would work if he was funny. Nash spent the rest of the show mocking Tenay's call of Duggan's finisher as the 'old glory' by calling Misterio's move an 'old glory huricanrana' and the like so many times that Tenay even told Nash he wore the joke out. Nash continued with the line the rest of the show" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: September 25, 1999

"Steiner & Lex backing off from La Parka, which was booked as a practical joke, saying Luger was afraid of skeletons" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: September 25, 1999.

"Nash noted how whenever there's a (video) package on somebody before the match, it's almost a sure bet that guy is going to win" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: September 25, 1999

"The (promotional) subtitle for the next WCW PPV, 'watch the horror unfold'." - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: September 27, 1999

"Madusa came out in a bikini. The implants looked ridiculous but this is a business of excess. She came out with Nitro cologne. It was the weirdest thing as Heenan was getting over just how horrible smelling the cologne is. It is a WCW product and they were pushing how bad it smelled. Madusa started screaming it was bullsh*t and threw the cologne on Heenan, who reacted like it smelled like cow manure. In fact, they actually used the word manure to describe the smell of the cologne. This was weird to say the least" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: November 1, 1999.

"Oklahoma then threw BBQ sauce in Madusa's eyes to set up Madusa vs. Oklahama in a feud over the cruiserweight title" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: January 10, 2000.

"Bagwell and Kanyon, who at this point had turned on eachother twice, where scheduled to face Flair and Crowbar. Bigelow attacked Kanyon, suplexing him on the entrance ramp and threw him off the stage through a table. This bump was far more dangerous than similar WWF bumps where they have all these pads set up covered in a blanket around the table when they go off the ramp, but the stunt was nill as the cameras missed the shot" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: January 10, 2000.

"It wasn't Bret Hart driving the monster truck nor was Sid in the car that was being run over, although both were the original plan. Hart was told what part of the car to drive over and where Sid would be in the car so as to not drive over him. Hart refused saying he wasn't an experienced stunt driver. There was no problem with his decision and he was apologized to for being asked" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: January 10, 2000.

"If you thought Starrcade was bad in English, it was worse in German. The German crew was in Washington DC live. The regular commentators were joined by comedian Tom Gerhardt, who was popular in Germany ten years ago because he used to go on stage dressed as a giant penis and pretend to ejaculate on the audience. He was doing heel commentary to get himself over, calling Disco Inferno gay, talking about Madusa having nice t*ts , and stood when Benoit made the open challenge to anyone and challenged him. This was all done to build a match where Gerhardt will wrestle Berlyn in Oberhausan, Germany on the WCW house show. German wrestler Ulf Hermann, upon hearing this news, issued a grandstand challenge." - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: January 10, 2000.

"Kevin Nash missed the weekend house shows where he was scheduled to headline against Vicious claiming a concussion suffered allegedly when he was hit with the rubber crowbar by Arn Anderson" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: January 17, 2000.

"Throughout the show, they (the NWO) were torturing Bret Hart. Nash was torturing Hart and in the background you could hear the director wrapping up the scene. The final scene saw Hart coming out with a pipe while covered in makeup to make it appear he'd been beaten up on. It was the same makeup they used for Arn Anderson, totally exposing that angle. Hart challenged the NWO guys to come out. Nash & Jarrett came out with bats. Then it got really silly. Hart was in a stand-off with Nash and Jarrett forever because Funk & Anderson arrived so late. Apparently live it was obvious Hart & Nash were having a hard time not laughing because the timing was so screwed up. Funk came out with a flaming branding iron and Anderson with a bucket of water. Anderson threw the bucket of water on Hart, with the idea that the makeup would run. The makeup didn't run, but the announcers had to sell that it did." - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: January 24, 2000.

"The Match (Kevin Nash vs. Sid) was in slow motion. Jarrett came in, but Sid got the guitar from him, clocked Nash with it and then laid on his back. The announcers were talking about how Sid was outsmarting everyone by pretending he was the one who got hit with the guitar. There were peices of the broken guitar surrounding Nash's body, including in his hair and a big peice on his chest, while there was no debris anywhere close to Sid" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: January 31, 2000.

"The only ratings question of the week was whether or not WCW Nitro would beat the Westminster Dog Show on the USA Network on 2/14. The answer was no" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: February 21, 2000.

"In Philadelphia, apparently the hydraulics didn't work and The Demon was stuck in his coffin for about three minutes before they could get him out" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: February 21, 2000.

"A Tv Series starring Duggan called 'Biker's Court' was attempting to be sold for syndication at the NATPE convention last week. It was a worked cross between Judge Judy and Jerry Springer, with bikers as the jurors, a silicon implanted baliff and Duggan carrying his 2X4 as the judge. A typical episode is a midget smoker who is suing the tobacco companies claiming smoking stunted his growth and asking for compensation for a multimillion dollar NBA career that he didn't have" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: February 21, 2000.

"There was zero heat for Vicious vs. Jarrett. Earlier in the show Nash announced it as non-title. Jarrett demanded WCW overrule Nash and make it a title match. WCW announced it was a U.S. Title match. That made perfect sense, since the world champion should be challenging for the US belt. Jarrett hit Sid with a guitar shot which busted his head open hardway. Vicious said he got a concussion from the guitar shot. After the show, Vicious confronted Mark Madden and yelled at him. Madden made a remark about the three-way and said that Vicious may be the "monkey in the middle", which of course is a kids game. Vicious was told by someone that Madden called him a monkey and he was very upset about it. Madden tried to explain what he actually said but Sid, I guess with his head busted upon and groggy from the possible concussion and jetlagged from Germany, wasn't interested in hearing." - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: February 21, 2000.

"The crowd didn't care about this program and the stretcher aspect of the match was preposterous. Daffney did a hurricanrana and her blue wig flew off in the process. At one point they put David (Flair) on a stretcher and he was halfway to the back. He got off the stretcher, totally revived, and didn't sell it like he'd even been beaten. Finally they taped David to the stretcher and had to sell that David couldn't get off with this athletic tape that wasn't even holding. The bell rang for no reason. Crowbar got carried off in a stretcher with that ridiculous tape. The funny thing is that the stretchers had restrainers that could have locked the guys in that would have at least looked better than that silly athletic tape. Then they put Daffney in a wheelchair and taped her up. Her being taped was the silliest of the three in that the tape didn't hold but she still had to sell it." - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: February 28, 2000.

"Big T defeated Booker T in a match for (the rights to) the letter 'T'. This was ungodly bad. Actually the former Ahmed Johnson in his now pregnant state actually 'carried' Booker T to maybe the worst match of his career. The lights went out, seemingly forever, teasing that Midnight was coming, with her music. Of course, she's not even in the company anymore." - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: February 28, 2000.

"La Parka was reading the financial pages when Madusa propositioned him." - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: February 28, 2000.

"World Championship Wrestling had what was on paper its most successful weekend in at least a year, drawing three consecutive sellouts, largely with very enthusiastic fans in the United Kingdom. The reaction to the shows by the time they were over was typical of the WCW Shoot Yourself in the Foot Tour 2000. The main events all three nights were a disappointment. On the first night, they used Ric Flair vs. Curt Hennig on top. They had a good technical match that the crowd wasn't into, with lots of 'Goldberg' chants. After the match, Luger and Elizabeth did a run-in, leaving Bagwell to make the save and the show actually ended with Bagwell in the ring with his music playing, saying 'You didn't get Goldberg and you didn't get Sting, but you got Buff and he's the stuff.' Needless to say, the interview wasn't exactly well recieved by the audience. (The third show had) a hugley disappointing main event, headlined by local boxer "The Viking" Foster working as the outside the ring second ref for the Mamalukes tag title defense against the Harris Twins. The match had no heat and lots of missed spots with fans filing out as it was going on. Ron Harris actually grabbed the house mic and ripped on the fans for not caring about the match. Reports were the match was terrible. Foster, we're told, wasn't a big enough name to actually help sell tickets and most of the fans in attendance didn't even know who he was. The first night in Burmingham, Nash came out in a wheelchair...Nash was said to be embarassing, badly slurring his words. Vicious wasn't there, according to WCW sources it is because he's not allowed in the country. In London, Duggan got the crowd chanting 'USA'. in his match against UK wrestler David Finley" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: March 20, 2000.

"The Dog got loose from Knobbs and apparently he was drinking out of the toilet. I just saw him on his knees in the bathroom with Knobbs telling him to stop. It took several minutes before it was explained what he was actually doing. Dog wrestled Smiley. Smiley spanked the Dog before the match. After the match, Dog went after Scott Dikinson, with Mark Madden mentioning that Scott Dinkinson's full time job is a mailman (which is true). Dog tried to tree Smiley backstage after the match" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: March 20, 2000.

"Funk attacked Rhodes after the match, knocking him out with a loaded chicken" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: March 20, 2000.

"When Mark Madden told Arn Anderson how well recieved his segment was, Anderson replied by saying 'That must mean I'm going to get fired'." - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: March 20, 2000.

"Luger and Elizabeth were apparently in a car accident before the show. Their rental car was said to have been hit by a bus. They did arrive and Luger was able to wrestle" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: March 20, 2000.

"Douglas pinned him (Funk) and grabbed the belt. Mike Awesome beat Wall in a tables match. Awesome and Douglas started beating on Wall but DDP came out of the back of the ambulance and threw Awesome in the back and the ambulance took off. Then they went to a cutaway with Russo holding a casket with a bunch of New Blood members as pall bearers, including Douglas without a hair out of place and Awesome, in his regular clothes." - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: March 29, 2000.

"Madden was at this point told to get over about how WCW doesn't do schmazz finishes and cheap DQ's. Except for Wall vs. Awesome up to that point, there had been nothing but schmazz finishes" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: March 29, 2000.

"Jarrett introduced Russo as the guy who turned the WWF around and called him Vince McMahon's best kept secret. Russo came out to the Road Warriors music. He talked about getting screwed by the good ol' boys while a great percentage of both the live and TV audience had no clue what he was talking about. Bischoff came out to tease a confrontation, but they hugged. They announced that all of the titles were vacated. When Sid was teasing he was going to hit Bischoff, Bischoff made a comment about Sid not having scissors. Bischoff was so clearly stunned that the crowd didn't react to the scissors line that he must have thought that they didn't hear it the first time, so he said it again, also to no reaction." - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: April 17, 2000.

"On Nitro during the opening meeting (with Russo), everyone was supposed to act scared and somber, but you could see everyone biting their tongue because Brian Knobs' hair was set on fire by the pyro coming out" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: April 17, 2000.

"You know things are bad when Schiavone starts swearing on the air" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: April 24, 2000.

"They (DDP and Mike Awesome) were having a good match when Mark Madden said in the new WCW they were going to have winners and losers and the refs aren't going to be calling DQ's. Literally seconds later, Billy Silverman called the DQ." - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: April 17, 2000.

"Crowbar & Leroux & Moore beat Candido & Guerrera & Artist in 6:30. The Guerrera team kept having the match won, but a partner would break up the pin and cost his own team the match. This actually happened time after time. The announcers clearly weren't clued in, because nobody said a word nor were telling the story of the match. Sometimes when a partner made the save it was presented as if it was a member of the opposing team. Finally they came up with the explanation that the wrestlers are trying so hard to impress Russo and Bischoff that they are trying to make sure their team doesn't win. Crowbar pinned Candido after a gordbuster that was set up by Artist costing his team the match" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: April 24, 2000.

"Meng speared a life sized poster of Goldberg. Meng used the poster to block Knobbs spraying him with a fire extinguisher. Meng then threw Knobbs off a 30-foot balcony" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: April 24, 2000.

"Sting and Vampiro fought in a graveyard. Vampiro broke a tombstone over Sting's head and he fell into a grave. Offically, because Sting may have died, this match was ruled a no contest" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: May 08, 2000.

"The big finish was totally screwed up. The idea was that Jarrett and Page were to climb the scaffolding. Arquette would climb the scaffolding, hit Jarrett with the guitar, who would take the bump through the gimmicked part of the stage that they would fall through. When leaving the ring, by accident, Asya stepped on the set and fell through, so everyone could see that it was gimmicked. Arquette than ran out and apparently wasn't given directions as to what to avoid, and fell into the gimmicked part of the stage. So Jarrett and Page improvised up there with Page deciding to save the show and take the bump into what was already evident as the gimmicked hole in the stage. No idea at press time how this will be edited" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: May 08, 2000.

"When they made the stip where Flair got five minutes with Russo, Russo didn't sell it, and then said 'this is where I'm supposed to play chicken sh*t heel' to zero pop" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: May 08, 2000.

"Terry Funk won a handicap match for the hardcore title over Norman Smiley and Ralphus. Most of the match was backstage with Ralphus, dressed in a catchers outfit with a catchers mask, just standing there. The height of the silliness was them (Funk and Smiley) throwing cardboard boxes at each other and selling it. Finally, Funk brought Ralphus in front of the curtain and into the ring, and unmasked him and pulled his pants down. Ralphus basically stood there with his fanny showing...Ralphus by this time looked like he was going to have a heart attack" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: May 15, 2000.

"Hogan did the first huricanrana of his career" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: May 15, 2000.

"Russo and David were at Flair's home in Charlotte. (Russo) said that Reid was the favorite one and that David had to sleep in the garage and swim in a shark infested creek. Russo was jumping up and down on Flair's bed. " - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: May 22, 2000.

"Madusa vs. Liz were supposed to have a cage match but Luger came out dressed as a cage repair man and saved Liz. Russo came out and hit Luger with a low blow, but he was wearing a cup so he no sold it and rubbed the cup in Russo's mouth. The security maced Luger. Palumbo attacked Luger with that 60's comic book twister deal. Awesome attacked Nash. Nash called him Eddie Money, who was a rock star probably when Nash was in college, and challenged him to an ambulance match. Scott Steiner went outside for a street fight with Tank and Rick. The Goldberg monster truck made the save. Nash nearly killed Awesome with the greatest power bomb in the sport. Just before Awesome faced sure paralysis, DDP made the save to help Nash do the move before he dropped the guy on his head. The (ambulance) match ended with Awesome never put in the ambulance." - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: May 22, 2000

"It has been made clear to everyone that Hogan is 'the man' and in all angles has to be treated as such...Hogan vs. Hogan (Horace vs. Hulk) started with Kidman yelling at Horace about (Torrie) Wilson, who he came out with. Horace beat up Kidman and went to the ring with Wilson. Horace went to kiss Wilson when Kidman came out again. Hulk then throws Kidman over the top rope through a table and pins Horace. Hulk then kissed Torrie Wilson. Of course she liked it and walked out on both Kidman and Horace." - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: May 22, 2000

"During the commerical, they soaked the ropes with gasoline. Sting came out, then Vampiro came out and called him Steve, and said they would have an inferno match on the PPV. Sting said that's nuts and he isn't going to do it. At this point the ropes were supposed to set on fire but they didn't. The fans started laughing and booing," - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: May 22, 2000.

"Funk came out with chickens on both hands like they were boxing gloves" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: May 22, 2000.

"They built to a spot where Vampiro acted like he was going to bite the head off Sting's crow but Sting made the save. After being beaten up, Vampiro started laughing. Vampiro was making reference to 'Steve Borden' not wanting to work. When Sting pounded on him, he called Vampiro 'Ian'." - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: May 22, 2000.

"David (Flair) did an interview. It was weird because he was bragging about his long-legged blonde girlfriend and having a Corvette to show he hasn't done badly for himself (his real-life fiancé is Stacy Keibler), which was strange since Daffney was right there as a medium-legged brunette who is supposed to be his girlfriend, but not only that, earlier in this very same show he asked her to marry him." - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: May 22, 2000.

"Russo then came out to confront Nash, and basically tried to take 100% of the credit for creating the 'Diesel' character that made Nash a star. Blood fell from the ceiling, most of which fell several feet to the side of Nash and much of which fell on front row spectators." - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: May 22, 2000.

"Tank Abbot has been asked by management to take singing lessons" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: September 11, 2000.

"Russo wanted to be dragged behind the (monster) truck through the desert by Goldberg but the higher ups nixed the angle. Russo was very upset about this" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: September 11, 2000.

"They did a segment claiming Russo had suffered a blood clot to the brain and needed emergency brain surgery" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: September 11, 2000.

"Some notes from 9/12 in Roanoke for the Thunder tapings. Hayabusa was there but was only going to be put on World Wide against The Frog." - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: September 11, 2000.

"The Thrillers went back to the Power Plant. They all attacked Mike Graham. That was funny because Graham leg dives Sanders and put him in a figure four, and when there are six guys ready to jump you, the best thing to do is run, and the worst thing to do is to take one guy to the ground and let the other five stomp the hell out of you. They attacked Orndorff, who in every camera shot posed titled so his good arm, which he clearly had pumped up before taping, was right in front of the camera" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: September 18, 2000.

"Nobody has any idea why they brought a live tiger from the zoo to accompany Steiner to the ring on Nitro. Backstage, when he was trying to get a photo with the tiger, the tiger nearly took a chuck out of Rey Mysterio's eye" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: October 10, 2000.

"In a meet and greet in Sydney, Australia, Chae (Nitro girl) was asked if she was dating Kevin Nash. She said that she was. Kevin Nash a few weeks back on TV said he was going out after the show to 'eat a little Korean' so I guess that publicly puts one and one together" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: October 16, 2000.

"A fan hit Goldberg with a cardboard Star of David" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: October 16, 2000.

"In a segment said to be hilarious live, (Elix) Skipper was talking trash and challenging Goldberg. Goldberg came out behind Skipper. Skipper keeps turning and Goldberg keeps adjusting his position so Skipper can't see him. All of this is on the big screen, which Skipper is looking right at, and can see Goldberg behind him, but because they didn't consider this when making the angle, he had to pretend" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: October 23, 2000.

"CNN ran a special on Goldberg on 10/22. They showed Vince Russo and the booking team talking about a Nitro where Bill Goldberg would get revenge on Scott Steiner. Russo had an idea that Steiner would be in the dressing room bleaching his mustache and Goldberg would pour Clorox down Steiner's throat. Ed Ferrara noted that you don't bleach a mustache with Clorox. He then said they could use bleach instead."- The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: October 30, 2000.

"This (Awesome vs. Vampiro) was the most blown spots in a PPV match dating back to the legendarily bad Sandman vs. Sabu match on the ECW show in Pittsburgh a few years back. The match fell apart in the crowd. They were brawling, and Vampiro grabbed a crutch from someone at ringside. The guy who they took the crutch from then attacked Awesome and tried to head fanny him. Vampiro and Awesome threw punches at him and both were so freaked out that the match completely fell apart." - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: November 06, 2000.

"Buff Bagwell did an interview before the PPV with Alex Marvez. Regarding his attempt over the summer to go to the WWF, he said that on the New Blood Rising PPV, Kanyon was supposed to beat him and take Judy Bagwell as his valet. He said it was Russo's idea, (and) that nobody but Russo liked the idea. He said he asked Kanyon 'Are you sure you want my mother as your f***in valet?'." - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: November 06, 2000

"Ray wasn't thrilled with Madden calling Jindrak & O'Haire the 'White Harlem Heat'." - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: November 06, 2000.

"Luger ripped on Mark Madden to start the show. Seems that Luger was mad at Madden for saying his bodyfat percentage has gone up. He made fun of Madden's physique in an unscripted segment Madden didn't know anything about. Luger then brought out Ross Foreman and yelled at him for not having any photos of him in WCW Magazine" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: November 13, 2000.

"On the 12/4 Nitro (where wrestlers were told to stop mentioning Scott Hall), when the crowd was chanting 'We Want Hall' during the DDP & Nash vs. 3 Count match, on the closed captioning, it read, 'We Want Hall'." - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: December 18, 2000.

"DDP asked Sanders to deliver the line in a promo saying DDP may be 45, but he looks 35 and wrestles like he's 25. The line wasn't delivered, because it makes no sense for a heel to say that. However, it has been repeated backstage as a source of comedy." - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: December 25, 2000

"Dustin Runnels was at Starrcade, being called by management to return. Runnels is reportedly being paid $750,000 per year but the company isn't using him. When he got there, the company told him they had no plans for him, and he went back home." - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: December 25, 2000.

"The 12/18 Nitro was supposed to practically be built around Rick Steiner as the surprise guy, but he wasn't there because they forgot to tell him" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: January 01, 2001.

"Kaz Hayashi & Yun Yang beat Jamie Knoble & Evan Karagias in 9:21 in the show stealer. You know it had to be WCW with the graphic reading Jamie Karagias and Evan Knoble as they came to the ring" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: January 22, 2001.

"Meng pinned Bigelow in a bad match. Highlight was said to be Bigelow throwing Meng's boot at the announcers and Tenay catching it" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: January 22, 2001.

"Jimmy Hart was hospitalized with a kidney stone, which was dislodged when a female DJ gave him a low blow at the Minneanapolis Thunder" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: January 22, 2001.

"Beginning this week, Nitro is going head-to-head with Thunder in Australia" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: January 22, 2001.

"Scott Steiner was arrested from an incident at the TV tapings the night before which ended up being edited off television. They were doing a stretcher job deal and Steiner started kicking one of the EMT's, apparently thinking they weren't real EMT's. As it turned out, they used real EMT's, and one of them decided to press (police) charges" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: January 29, 2001.

"Chavo Jr. & Animal beat Misterio Jr. & Kidman. Schiavone was waiting all day for the line talking about Misterio Jr. wrestling in Mexico, and then said, Mexico is bordered to the south by Guatemala, not Nicaragua, as everybody knows. For the other three million viewers who don't have any idea why he said this, it's because 11 years ago, there was this guy who did a wrestling newsletter named Steve Beverly who had the ear of a guy at TBS named Jeff Carr. Carr made the call that WCW Saturday Night should only have one host, and it was Ross. Schiavone was so mad he went to the WWF for several years. He's hated Beverly ever since. Anyway, last week on 'Who Wants to be a Millionaire', a contestant was asked what country bordered Mexico to the south and called Beverly for a lifeline and Beverly said Nicaragua and his friend hesitated, but went with Beverly's pick, and was wrong." - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: February 05, 2001.

"Schiavone in his silly statement of the week after Misterio Jr. did some flying move and then spun around, compared him with Bugsy McGraw, who for those who weren't around in that era, was just about the worst wrestler in captivity. It would be the equivalent of Jim Ross comparing Kurt Angle to Tiger Chung Lee" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: February 12, 2001.

"In a TV commercial in the Nashville market for the 2/18 PPV, the voiceover really says 'expect a night of run-ins'." - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: February 12, 2001.

"...some of the strangest camera work, including a shot of a door which seemed to have no real purpose" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: March 05, 2001.

"Kanyon then started attacking the mop. Fans chanted for Cat to save the mop from a bad beating, and Cat in fact did so" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: March 05, 2001.

"They showed a limo pulling up to the arena and the announcers referenced a limo pulling into the arena. Then they cut to a shot inside the limo of Stasiak and Kanyon and in the conversation they talked about arriving at the hospital" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: March 12, 2001.

"The main event on the show, believe it or not, was Flair kissing a donkey" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: March 26, 2001.

"Ace (had) an exchange with Luger. Luger compared himself to a Ferrari and said that if you keep hitting a Ferrari with a sledge hammer, pretty soon it's worthless. Ace's reaction was something to the effect of having no idea what it meant" - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: March 26, 2001.

"When names were read off of employees given their various termination notices, Tony Schiavone, when his name was read off by people in Human Resources in WCW, they pronounced it 'Tony Skee-a-vone'." - The Wrestling Observer Newsletter: April 09, 2001.
 
#111 ·
re: WCW Discussion Thread because people get asshurt about JUST RUSSO

AE: Stupid somewhat crappy storylines performed by great wrestlers.

WCW: Retarded shitty storylines performed by mediocre and shitty wrestlers.
I'd agree with this.

WCW with Russo was a painful rehash of the Attitude Era, complete with more fuck ups, nonsense and utter bullshit. 1997-99 worked because it was fresh and innovative. Russo tried it again with another company but with the bullshit factor turned up to a million. It was destined to fail from the get go, not just for the fact it was all over the place, but because it was already done before only months earlier. Why would anybody want to watch a pale imitation of something that was done a lot better before?
 
#119 ·
re: WCW Discussion Thread because people get asshurt about JUST RUSSO

One very important episode in the WCW era. Russo's WCW TV debut (if you ignore the segments months before where you could only hear his voice), the alliance with Eric Bischoff and the formation of the new blood stable

 
#166 ·
re: WCW Discussion Thread because people get asshurt about JUST RUSSO

To his credit, Russo did push a lot of mid card acts during his time in WCW. Booker T, Jeff Jarett and Big Poppa Pump were booked well and moved into headlining PPVs. Not sure about turning Steiner face for a couple of months though.

Not sure whose idea it was, but Goldberg's heel turn was a gigantic mistake. He was the face of WCW at that point. At least they tied it into his history with Nash/Hall, but at the least he should have taken down Millionaire's Club AND New Blood from the start.

Vampiro was never gonna be a star, but at least they tried. Unfortunately he came across like a second rate Undertaker. Abyss would come across like a second rated Kane in TNA in 2007. Buff Bagwell was never gonna be a star too, but at least they did something with him. Unfortunately it was with a shoot storyline and subsequent feud with DDP.

Speaking of DDP, wasn't Kimberley Page's heel turn rediculous. On Nitro she got hit in the head by woman beater Jeff Jarrett's guitar. A few days later she joins Jarrett! I guess you could explain it as she was mad at DDP for allowing it to happen, but non of it came across as believable to me.

Another crazy move:
April to September 2000 - 13 world title changes (2 included an actor and a non wrestler).

The Natural Born Thrillers was a good name and clever way to get the Power Plant guys on TV.

Lance Storm was booked very well. Another ECW alumni Mike Awesome wasn't. He came in with 'Career Killer' gimmick and played the part well. Why the hell did he become a comedic babyface 'fat chick thriller' and '70's guy' withIN 12 weeks of being booked as a force to be reckoned with, who got a rare pinfall victory over Hulk Hogan. There was mileage in the career killer; changing direction stopped him in his tracks when he could have gotten over.

Kanyon's insane looking bump and subsequent turn on friend DDP a month later was preditable in a bad way. Did nothing for him, whereas it could have lasted months and given a much more satisfying pay off.
 
#167 ·
re: WCW Discussion Thread because people get asshurt about JUST RUSSO

To his credit, Russo did push a lot of mid card acts during his time in WCW. Booker T, Jeff Jarett and Big Poppa Pump were booked well and moved into headlining PPVs. Not sure about turning Steiner face for a couple of months though.

Not sure whose idea it was, but Goldberg's heel turn was a gigantic mistake. He was the face of WCW at that point. At least they tied it into his history with Nash/Hall, but at the least he should have taken down Millionaire's Club AND New Blood from the start.

Vampiro was never gonna be a star, but at least they tried. Unfortunately he came across like a second rate Undertaker. Abyss would come across like a second rated Kane in TNA in 2007. Buff Bagwell was never gonna be a star too, but at least they did something with him. Unfortunately it was with a shoot storyline and subsequent feud with DDP.

Speaking of DDP, wasn't Kimberley Page's heel turn rediculous. On Nitro she got hit in the head by woman beater Jeff Jarrett's guitar. A few days later she joins Jarrett! I guess you could explain it as she was mad at DDP for allowing it to happen, but non of it came across as believable to me.

Another crazy move:
April to September 2000 - 13 world title changes (2 included an actor and a non wrestler).

The Natural Born Thrillers was a good name and clever way to get the Power Plant guys on TV.

Lance Storm was booked very well. Another ECW alumni Mike Awesome wasn't. He came in with 'Career Killer' gimmick and played the part well. Why the hell did he become a comedic babyface 'fat chick thriller' and '70's guy' withIN 12 weeks of being booked as a force to be reckoned with, who got a rare pinfall victory over Hulk Hogan. There was mileage in the career killer; changing direction stopped him in his tracks when he could have gotten over.

Kanyon's insane looking bump and subsequent turn on friend DDP a month later was preditable in a bad way. Did nothing for him, whereas it could have lasted months and given a much more satisfying pay off.


To be fair, Kimberley went with Bishoff who she said she had been having an affair with. It tied into the Bish/Page being close friends backstage that people always brought up.

Kanyons heel turn and change into "positively Kanyon" was the best thing to happen to him in wcw. He finally got over. What messed it up was Russo didnt book the blowoff match between DDP and Kanyon, he said it was because fans knew it was gonna happen...the fact is WE WANTED ITTO HAPPEN. It could have been a great starrcade upper card match.
 
#337 ·
Re: WCW Discussion Thread because people get asshurt about JUST RUSSO

^what OldschoolHero said. WCW managed to always give you something to watch. Trust me, the Nitros from their "boom" years aren't even that good. If those are willing to be viewed b/c the company was successful, you'll have no problem watching the shows from when they were in the decline. Not much of a difference. 1998 would probably be the best bet for Nitro year that was the strongest all around.
 
#403 ·
He's right, it did put a dent in the angle because Goldberg was clearly being booked as the main opponent of the nWo 2000. Nash used the same excuse for the Fingerpoke of Doom angle which made no sense considering that occurred like 8 months prior to Goldberg's incident but alas.

Creating this "powerful force" again just to put over Goldberg, who already was a main eventer and should have been fully put over by the original nWo, was a bit silly. It's really one of the many things that were wrong about WCW's booking. There was no end game. Sting was brilliantly set up as the saviour of WCW, but then when it came down to it they purposely fucked up his win over Hogan. They put Goldberg over Hogan on Nitro but then Hogan continued to main event PPV's anyway and Goldberg took a back seat. The Outsiders didn't put others over at all either.

I think nWo 2000 should have been used to put over someone like Benoit or Jericho, hell even Steiner.

Fuckin' egos.
 
#404 ·
I think nWo 2000 should have been used to put over someone like Benoit or Jericho, hell even Steiner.
It was supposed to put over Benoit. He was one of the main opponents of the NWO alongside Goldberg and Sid. He had a feud with Hall and he would have gone over (probably) but Hall was injured and replaced by Jarrett, who was injured as well before the feud ended. Then Benoit left.

Jericho was in WWF at that time already and Steiner was in the NWO.
 
#543 ·
I always quite liked Halloween Havoc 98, but love that PPV overall becuase of the massive pumpkins and hokey set.

Jericho v Raven in a great opener.
Rick Steiner finally gets revenge on Scott and gets the biggest pop of his career
The Outsiders collide in an entertaining match
Hogan v Warrior 2 is so awful it's reverse good
DDP vs Goldberg in arguably Goldberg's best ever match.
 
#573 ·
agreed.....i really don't see how you can not like goldberg lol.....then again people on this site tend to think a bit differently.....i thought goldberg was a beast....simple but effective character.....great GREAT athlete for being a big dude.....awesome badass look......cool finishers.....silent charisma....i could really care less about his mat wrestling prowess dude kicked ass,drew a huge crowd and knew how to make a match feel epic IMO
 
#574 ·
It's been over a decade since then and I still get excited just thinking about what a match between those two would have been like in 1998. Good lord, what a buy-rate THAT woulda been. Of course if it did happen back in that era, it would have been such a dirty finish even Dusty Rhodes would be proud!:D:
 
#605 · (Edited)
Agree with you on Kronik. They definitely had a domineering presence and you had the combination of Clarke's in-ring ability and Adams' (RIP) brute strength, plus the "breaking necks and cashing cheques" line that I found mildly amusing. I loved their walk-on music as well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OTNSNMtuco

The sad thing is they're remembered for THAT match in 2001 but in WCW they were so good in their roles
 
#644 ·
Zep Eastwood I think you got yourself a good grasp on the Cruiserweight matches. Anymore and you might as well just make it your plan to watch all from PPV, as they're legit worth the time. :eek:

Sting vs Vampiro was fun. I really got into it as it was happening circa 2000 & thought WCW was on the right path to put a new talent vs their star in Sting. Much like the entire New Blood angle, it ended up falling away with no clear resolution or solution, although, at least it was something fun for the time it lasted.
 
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