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Old 03-07-2013, 11:46 PM   #441 (permalink)
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I don't remember much of WCW first hand as I was a ATTITUDE ERA kid. Matter of fact one of my few memories of WCW is that whole wolfpac mess, seen a bunch of great WCW matches since being on wrestling forums though.
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Old 03-07-2013, 11:46 PM   #442 (permalink)
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Which lent itself to my point about Hogan not exactly only being good for WCW. He helped for a time. Then proceeded to eventually hurt things. As did a good portion of others & elements.

It happened a lot. Although there were the portions where matches would be built up well on Nitro & subsequently announced on the go-home show. So it wasn't ALL the time, but it went down far, far too much to boot.

Some people think it is only current WWE/TNA that books in short term bursts. Hardly. Watch some TV from the 90's and you'll realize the stigma isn't new. Even during the era of "wrestling's biggest period" it was around.
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It was actually really elelmentary where they should have gone. After Sting defeated Hogan for the title the focus should have then been on him leading WCW against the nWo and putting an end to them once and for all.

Which means a strong run towards War Games. INside the cage Team WCW led by Sting against the nWo led by Hogan. Winner takes all. If WCW lose, the whole company gets rebranded as the nWo and the corporate "takeover" is complete. But if WCW wins, the nWo disband forever.

An actual conclusion to the story! World Champion Sting pins Hogan. the nWo are finally defeated, and it ends the most successful storyline in wrestling history. Hogan slinks off home for several months where he can either return in the red and yellow, or whatever. The Outsiders can no longer be nWo, but they can not be happy about it and both can try and take the World title from Sting in top main event feuds.

What did happen was just dragging the story on and on, until everyone got sick of it. This would have been a great ending and Sting could have dropped the belt to Hart perhaps so he could feud with a returning Hogan to give everyoen that dream match. Or to guys like Steiner to put over a new talent.
I like it. Does the crowd buy the NWO just dissolving though? I think the "wolfpack" and all that stuff was formed because the entire promotion was afraid of losing the NWO draw. Like I said, I loved it as a kid, ate it up, but looking back, it seems that the Wolfpack was made because of two fundamental issues. One being that they needed to extend the NWO storyline, and the fact that so many people were in the NWO, they had to split them against each other.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_itzww0XTo

Look how retardedly over Hogan was, This is way after the NWO should have been gone, and Hogan was supposedly done and ruining everything. They fucking love eat it up. No one gets a pop like that now.

I think it's pretty clear that Hogan should have stayed a large part of WcW(I don't think anyone is even disputing that), but they really messed up with the wrestlers they booked him with a LOT.

He was over as fuck, but it wasn't for his ring work. They should have done much better job of pairing him with people who could help cover his age in the ring... not Kevin Nash, Sid Vicious, etc.
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God damn. Have to say I still think DDP disguising himself as La Parka to completely own Savage on the 7/7/97 Nitro is the best moment of the year. No one saw that coming. Walking into it you expected the Madness to run wild all over La Parka in preparation for the big tag clash on Sunday. Out of nowhere La Parka nails a Diamond Cutter, crowd erupts yet are baffled. Mask comes off and it's Diamond Dallas Page. Fans go NUTS. What a truly honest to goodness shocker right there. Hasn't lost its touch since the moment it aired.
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LA PARKA VS RANDY SAVAGE FROM 7/7/97
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Yeah, Wolfpac was the shit back then, the anti-heroes of WCW if you will. They were often getting some of the biggest pops of the night easy. Wouldn't change anything about their formation. But that fingerpoke of doom shit? Yeah, Beyond stupid, and when the nWo reformed again it was just the same old shit with the spray paint and everything. Remember nWo "Elite" and the nWo "B" team?

That too, is when I thought things really went to hell.
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Great stuff. You're very right, they were the badass anti-heroes. Probably why so many people, including us, loved them.

But after the Fingerpoke, when they split up into the Wolfpac Elite and nWo Black and White...just compare these rosters:

Hollywood Hogan (leader), Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, Miss Elizabeth, Eric Bischoff, Buff Bagwell (kicked out of the group), Scott Steiner, Lex Luger, Disco Inferno, Konnan (kicked out of the group), David Flair

David Flair totally didn't belong there, and neither did Disco, but the rest of the team...pretty stacked.

nWo Black and White, on the other hand...

The Giant (departed), Curt Hennig (kicked out of the group), Vincent (left), Scott Norton (left), Brian Adams (kicked out of the group), Horace Hogan, Stevie Ray (leader, left)

Look at all those jobbers. Scott Norton, Vincent, Brian Adams...good lord.

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Absolutely I do. So cheesy and bad. Of all the ways for Hogan to initially drop the Hollywood gimmick (until 2000) they had to go that route. As if fans cared much by that point too. WCW really should have tried to changed things up more when WWF took over in '98. Being the same ol circle of old timers barring guys like Goldberg & DDP got old. It showed when the fans left to view the other promotion. From a business perspective of course.

Hogan's ego didn't lend itself very well in '97 either. Being World Champ for as long as he did and NEVER showing up on TV to do movies? C'mon, Hogan. Even you had to know it didn't help things out. He's lucky the promotion was in their prime years as the rest of the company was engrossing enough to fair well outside of no World Champion for quite a bit.
People can say what they want about Russo but in his tenure, he made damn sure to give some love to the up and coming talent, or at least tried to elevate more guys to the next level. Scott Steiner and Booker T both became established under Russo, and so did Jarrett, and they had the real makings of some new stars in the Natural Born Thrillers. Sanders was a solid talker, and I saw a solid future for especially Sean O'Haire. Kronik were shit workers but they were extremely over.

Its funny that, at the aforementioned Road Wild 1999, the match between Hogan and Nash was a retirement match...they were the old guys in 1999...and now Hogan wants to be TNA champion 14 years later. That really says something. In a way, its good that Hogan left at Bash at the Beach 2000.
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WCW wised up a tad in knowing they HAD to push new talent on their programming come 2000. Sham of '99 was all of the same rehashed moments pardon - once again - DDP outside of the workhorse guys. Main event was stale as could be. 2000 began with attempting something fresh in Benoit, only to screw it up and lose the guy. Then as it rolled on Jarrett got his time in the sun. Cool, but unfortunately the guy wasn't going to draw a dime for them. It felt more like "oh here is the championship we promised you. Have fun." Booker & Steiner got a good rub as you mentioned. Their pushes felt quite legitimate. Despite the stories heard about how Steiner got into his position. Drugs can have that effect. Natural Born Thrillers were cool for what they stood for. Not the best crop of talent around. Good enough to make the point be known. The cruiserweight matches between the same 6 guys in Three Count & Jung Dragons is where I thought things exceeded better. Yet they never expanded past their own feud. And the occasional botch or two in their series was bleh. I suppose being young and wanting to try new things gave them a pass. It happens.

Mike Awesome & Lance Storm are two names to come to mind in 2000. Idiot gimmicks aside, Awesome got used. Completely new face to the promotion so it was great. Storm too for the same aspects. Shame when they locked it up it was TERRIBLE. Stupid New Blood Rising. Wait, that show owns. Pure wrestlecrap wonderland right there.
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Apart from the NWO, it's kind of like WCW prospered or at least used what McMahon failed to book or did not develop to the end.
  • Hulk Hogan vs. Ric Flair on PPV, about 9 times.
  • Bret Hart/Macho Man on PPV.
  • Flair/Piper on PPV.
  • Lex Luger/Macho Man.
  • Macho Man/Hogan - roles reversed.
  • Hogan/Piper.
  • Hogan/Luger.
  • Flair/Hennig - roles reversed.
  • Hogan/Warrior rematch.
  • Elizabeth turning heel on Savage.
  • Beefcake and Jimmy Hart turning heel on Hogan.
  • Macho Man and Roddy Piper playing heel one more time; Hogan turning heel.

Although they did do the heel boss first.

Ironically, the WWE now milks everything as much as possible, hence countless Cena/Orton and Cena/Punk rematches.
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I see what you're getting at, although I personally wouldn't slate some of those as positives or anything we needed to see. Jimmy Hart heel turn, pretty good. Brutus Beefcake to become "The Butcher"? Not so much.

Not to mention the Hogan vs Piper series was kind of a farce despite how awesome Piper is naturally & how fitting it was considering Hogan was rocking and rolling as a heel. I suppose the match quality between the two registering so bad left a sour taste in my mouth. Only other thing to take away from the program was Piper's chillingly awesome promo from Alcatraz.

Hogan vs Warrior rematch. Almost wished it didn't happen, tbhayley.
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