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AE: Stupid somewhat crappy storylines performed by great wrestlers.

WCW: Retarded shitty storylines performed by mediocre and shitty wrestlers.
I'd agree with this.

WCW with Russo was a painful rehash of the Attitude Era, complete with more fuck ups, nonsense and utter bullshit. 1997-99 worked because it was fresh and innovative. Russo tried it again with another company but with the bullshit factor turned up to a million. It was destined to fail from the get go, not just for the fact it was all over the place, but because it was already done before only months earlier. Why would anybody want to watch a pale imitation of something that was done a lot better before?

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That was me asking a question, hence why I said was it, rather than straight up accuse him.

Second bolded part, in your opinion of course. I don't want to see that because it creates the environment that lead to the demise of WCW, under Russo.

I remember reading that Bagwell did a worked shoot on Steiner but nobody told Scott so during their match he kicks the fuck out of Bagwell, repeatedly kicking him in the balls.
The bolded part- That was because WCW sucked... No one knew what the other one was doing. It was mismanaged before Russo...

About my "opinion"- It's an opinion of a lot of fans. Also, most of the shoot comments brought the best storylines.
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When was the last time you read the book? I read it around 6-8 weeks ago and I remember them praising WCW for being innovative. If you feel the book was too negative, well, the book was about the "death" of WCW, aka how it went downhill. If you still feel the book was inadaquate, well, Bryan did say he wrote the book in 6 weeks.

As for your Rodman example, I don't know how successful he was on PPV, but I would imagine that if WCW was spending more money than the PPVs were bringing in then they would still be losing a profit no matter how successful the PPVs were. Like I said, I don't know too much about the business side of WCW, so I think it would be best if you email Alvarez about this. Like I said, he and Reynolds are going to be addressing criticism in the next edition, so maybe your criticism will end up in there.
I read it a long time ago but I specifically mentioned the Rodman/Malone PPV because that's the main part I remembered. I'm sure that you can find a lot more. The praise was pretty forced, it was like "Yeah, this concept was pretty good and they drew a decent rating BUT WHAT ABOUT ALL THE MONEY THEY SPENT ON IT?!". Like I said, IMO they could have done a better job writing around all the good things WCW did and not present it like everything was hopeless, if not in the ring, backstage. They also presented a lot of subjective things as facts like their opinions on shows. I remember the part on February 1999, they wrote about how horrendous they thought the nWo/Flair field angle was as the reason that Nitro bombed with a 3.9 rating but then when Nitro drew a huge viewership of over 7-8 million people they turned it as "Unfortunately, over 7 million people watched another terrible show".

In Rodman's case, it was a 3 parts story. In 1997 they brought him in to give Hollywood Hogan and the nWo a more mainstream feel that big names like him were traveling with them and all that. Rodman was able to increase ratings in his shows and drew a big buyrate for his first match in a tag with Hogan against Luger and The Giant. Made big money for the company. Then in 1998 they did the Rodman/Hogan/DDP/Malone program which was one of the most successful programs of all time with big mainstream exposure for the company and drew the second biggest buyrate in company history(At BATB, not even the biggest show of the year)with less money than what WWF paid for Mike Tyson. The Rodman/Malone PPV did just around 60-70k less than what Tyson drew for WM. If Bryan wasn't writing about Rodman after 1998, I would have had no problem with him not going in depth on the success because as you said, it's supposed to be a negative book. But because he did a big story on the Rodman/Savage PPV in 1999(Which wasn't a success as the company was already in bad shape by July-August)with contract details, personal problems in working with him etc, it felt too much to ignore. Maybe that's just me. I still enjoyed the book for what it was and I will probably read the new edition when it comes out.

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Lets just go back to posting videos/discussing about the magic moments of this era and not get focused on any stupid issues with money, Vince Russo's sanity, or WWF vs WCW fodder. K?


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Ah, yes. Back to basics.

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You want some classic WCW 2000 masterpiece? Find the awesome Goldberg/Bret/Russo desert segment.
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Here's a great site I used to frequent back in the day. Christopher Robert Zimmerman (or CRZ) and his hilarious Nitro reviews. Used to read the Raw ones all the time but have yet to read the majority of these.

http://slashwrestling.com/nitro/

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One very important episode in the WCW era. Russo's WCW TV debut (if you ignore the segments months before where you could only hear his voice), the alliance with Eric Bischoff and the formation of the new blood stable

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Who was booking the last few months of WCW? Because I legit love the Magnificent Seven stuff. Sure, some of the talent involved wasn't great, but I loved Steiner as the dominating World Champ, Flair as the crazy mouthpiece, and the fact they were just destroying everyone in their path. Almost a shame the company got bought out and things never finished (something that happened in WCW a LOT long before they went out of business).
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