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Old 01-17-2013, 10:22 PM   #41 (permalink)
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What really happened is that WCW signed too many terrible wrestlers to long and lucrative contracts. Became too much of a financial burden. Firing Steve Austin was also a real boner in hindsight.
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Old 01-17-2013, 10:26 PM   #42 (permalink)
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They put the belt around David Arquette... and the Fingerpoke of doom.
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nWo was incredible...For about one year, a year and a half. Even the best angles have shelf lives.

nWo and the stables formed to combat it consumed the WCW and it became parodic with things like Latino World Order, nWo Japan, then nWo split and there was Black and White/Hollywood nWo and then there was Wolfpac/Red and Black from that split, nWo B-listers/B-Squad/B Team which was referred to as Black and white when nWo Hollywood was also referred to as nWo Black and White, the Reunion after the split which was appropriately enough called nWo Reunion.

They had a 3 hour show, 2 hour show, other shows and monthly PPVs and all it was was nWo, Wolfpac, B lister nWo, nWo Hollywood, "Which nWo will win? Will the Gobbledygooker join nWo 'Who in the Blue Hell Gives A Fuck'?" That was almost all the product talked about on an 8 hour a week basis for years.

This all started May 1996 and by the time the company just stopped doing nWo related stuff more than 35 separate wrestlers had been in an nWo faction and it was April 2000.

That is why. If WCW had one more idea on the level of nWo and dropped it early '98, we might be typing in the General WCW forum right now. But they just ran nWo into the ground.
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Old 01-17-2013, 10:42 PM   #44 (permalink)
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at what stage?
I would say the second half of 1999 to early-2000 when Jericho and Radicalz joined. It went downhill rather quick after they lost some their best talent. WCW never had a chance after that.
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Old 01-17-2013, 11:00 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Bischoff had never had that kind of success before and didn't have the mentality to handle it, so he went apeshit and slowly killed the whole company. He's no Vince.
I think this is the best succinct answer. It's true Bischoff started bragging how Vince Mcmahon was the 90's version of Verne Gagne in terms of being out of touch.

What ended up happening was Vince Mcmahon saw what made wcw become successful and took it up another notch.

NWO angle of wrestlers against the establishment was used in Austin vs. Mcmahon.

No more comic book characters like Duke The Dumpster Droese and The Goon and more wrestlers with actual names.

DX bringing real backstage elements on screen just as the NWO was doing with Hall and Nash and Hogan.

From a business standpoint when Vince Mcmahon made his public company to battle Ted Turner it changed the war as now the company could sign the big names that they couldn't before. Soon after Big Show, Jericho, Radicalz, and so on get signed. The wwf before going public couldn't sign all these people.

Bischoff and WCW really were a juggernaut, but they didn't have long term planning. The wwf was still drawing strong outside of USA as mentioned. Bret Hart was actually going to be used by wcw to expand into Canada which is why some of that whole Montreal incident went down the way it did. Bret partly didn't want his stock being lowered.

In the end though WCW not having their own plans ended up costing the company. Just because attitude worked for wwf didn't mean it would work for wcw audiences. They should have known that trying to emulate the wwf didn't work the same way or be as successful when Hogan came in and was getting booed within a year. Then doing the 80's angle.

WCW started winning when they were original with the nWo and Hogan's heel turn. In the end though as mentioned the company couldn't do anything if Time Warner/AOL didn't want anything to do with it, but they were on a big downfall anyways.
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Old 01-17-2013, 11:14 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Vince didn't just pull from WCW, but ECW as well. The "Attitude Era" was essentially ECW. Steve Austin was a mainstream Sandman.
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Yeah that is the thing with Vince. He is brilliant at taking something and making it bigger with marketing.

This is how he built up Rock N Wrestling taking the best from the territories to go national. It's no coincidence there has been a lack of greatness since he pretty much became a monopoly.
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Old 01-18-2013, 06:41 PM   #48 (permalink)
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Honestly strategy wise, Bischoffs big mistake was to go all-in betting that the WWF would go out of business. Bischoff's strategy 96-98 was perfect. WCW went from crappy ratings, no ppv-sells to the no.1 dominant promotion, even beating WWF in ppv-buy.s

The problem was that WWF always had a strong PPV business harking back to traditions 10 years strong! And house shows businesses going back god knows how long!? As a company they would not go out of business in a matter of a few years. Even if the situation would have gotten even worse for McMahon I'm sure he could have found new investors to fund the WWF for a long time going forward. Investors would understand the value of trademarks like Wrestlemania, Survivor series and Royal Rumble even back in 1997.

I think JR said it best in one of the documentaries: "Eric thought the Monday night wars was a sprint but it was a marathon."
With the whole "taking water coolers out of offices" slogan that had gotten around (even though its been said to be exaggerated), the fact that WCW Uncensored outsold WM13, its not shock the Bischoff thought he had Mcmahon on the ropes and was going for the knockout punch. When one of the your B ppvs outsells the other promotions Top PPV of the year, victory looks inevitable. Luckily, Bret and Austin set the course for the next two years with perfect execution of the double turn.
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I would say the second half of 1999 to early-2000 when Jericho and Radicalz joined. It went downhill rather quick after they lost some their best talent. WCW never had a chance after that.
True that. Those four leaving left a big dent, and Bret was out at roughly the same time. So was Jeff Jarrett for a while.


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Vince didn't just pull from WCW, but ECW as well. The "Attitude Era" was essentially ECW. Steve Austin was a mainstream Sandman.


So, your saying essentially that Stone Cold was a rip-off of Sandman? Am I right? So tell me the similarities between Sandman and Stone Cold Steve Austin? What, the beer drinking? Which Austin didn't start doing until well after he was the top face. Did Sandman have a feud with Paul Heyman? Was Sandman a big draw? I'll answer both of those for you: no. Sandman was a drunk who wore pajamas and carried around a Singapore cane. That was his character. Stone Cold was a trash-talking redneck from Texas who didn't give a shit about anybody and went against the bosses orders.

Austin was a redneck who went against the boss, that's what got him over. That and his feud with Bret Hart in '97. The beer drinking wasn't all that Austin was about, it was just a part of his gimmick and he didn't start doing it until after he was the top face. The beer drinking is the only similarity between Austin and Sandman and it wasn't used to get Austin over.

The Sandman (plus ECW) has NOTHING to do with the Monday Night Wars. Austin was a "bad-ass," just like the NWO. DX was essentially WWE's version of the NWO, with jeans and leather jackets. See a trend here? Oh, don't forget the numerous stables that were in WWE around that time. What other company has numerous stables? Let me answer that for you: WCW.
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