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post #31 of 55 (permalink) Old 01-17-2013, 06:44 AM
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Re: Eric Bischoff almost put the WWF out of the business

I don't really think Eric Bischoff and WCW nearly put the WWF out of business, I think the WWF were in a recovery period that WCW managed to get the better of them but then once the WWF hit it's stride WCW had to go into decline.

No matter what, at the height of both companies during that period they both got ridiculous ratings for a while there to keep the heads happy and were raking in millions, just because WWF was making more doesn't mean that WCW was failing at that point. Obviously they went into a steep decline but I don't really think WCW did anything massively wrong until putting the belt on Russo and David Arquette, which must have insulted it's audience. Even though Sting, Hogan, Flair etc were old news then they still had their fans to carry them so I don't think we can really blame them.

At the tipping point for WWF, the only thing that made them win was that they were the better of the two, rather than one being the shits and the other awesome.
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Re: Eric Bischoff almost put the WWF out of the business

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Oh sorry if my taste of what can draw is not as sophisitcated as yours.
Well, the did push Lance, he is a really great wrestler and got a fair push and I rather watch his mathes than Great Khalis matches any day of the week. But to me and many others he is still very uncharismatic and He is far from the total package. Just by looking at him I kind of knew he was never going to be the next Rock, Austin, Michaels, Benoit, Hogan, Warrior, Lesnar. I never go emotionally invovled in him. Sure amazing matches, but that does not take it to be successful and marketble.
And just because I think he is boring, and you suggest I should change hobby, who in the h*ll do you think you are to make such claims, I got my opinions, and you got yours, so If you cant deal with the fact that some people got other opinions than you, you really need to seek help my friend
claim? if you look at the exact wording the "maybe" technically makes it advice, something you can discard immediantly, no declaritive statement to be found unless you dig around for one in your own mind

i don't do opinions, though you are free to point out what's inconsistant in my text that doesn't have the imho label all over it
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Re: Eric Bischoff almost put the WWF out of the business

Honestly strategy wise, Bischoffs big mistake was to go all-in betting that the WWF would go out of business. Bischoff's strategy 96-98 was perfect. WCW went from crappy ratings, no ppv-sells to the no.1 dominant promotion, even beating WWF in ppv-buy.s

The problem was that WWF always had a strong PPV business harking back to traditions 10 years strong! And house shows businesses going back god knows how long!? As a company they would not go out of business in a matter of a few years. Even if the situation would have gotten even worse for McMahon I'm sure he could have found new investors to fund the WWF for a long time going forward. Investors would understand the value of trademarks like Wrestlemania, Survivor series and Royal Rumble even back in 1997.

I think JR said it best in one of the documentaries: "Eric thought the Monday night wars was a sprint but it was a marathon."

That's the point. You couldn't destroy WWF in 3 or even 5 years. It would take 10 or 15 years to accomplish that and that was Bischoffs big misstake.

Bischoff played it perfectly. It wasn't about inmates running the asylum, Goldberg's streak ending, guaranteed contracts or any of those cliches!

It was about Bichoffs short term strategy that misfired.

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claim? if you look at the exact wording the "maybe" technically makes it advice, something you can discard immediantly, no declaritive statement to be found unless you dig around for one in your own mind

i don't do opinions, though you are free to point out what's inconsistant in my text that doesn't have the imho label all over it
Ok, lets go back then and let me rephrase that: So why should I "maybe" change hobby just because I think guys like Lance Storm are boring?

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Re: Eric Bischoff almost put the WWF out of the business

Almost means nothing. Vince DID put WCW out of business.
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Ok, lets go back then and let me rephrase that: So why should I "maybe" change hobby just because I think guys like Lance Storm are boring?
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Almost means nothing. Vince DID put WCW out of business.
at what stage?

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Re: Eric Bischoff almost put the WWF out of the business

A big part of the problem when the WCW was starting to lose in the ratings was that a lot of the top stars were injured. From what I've seen, the plan was for Goldberg, whom just lost the title to Nash, to basically go through the Wolfpac members one by one until he got back to Hogan. Almost everyone ended up getting injured (including Goldberg) and this left them in a position where the guys thrusted in the spotlight simply weren't on TV. The same thing happened the following year when they tried to reform the nwo with Hart, Jarrett, and others.

All of the other reasons have been said, politics, guys getting lazy because they knew they had guaranteed pay days, drugs and alcohol, and the fact that WCW had a lot of guys that didn't belong in management. The rise of Austin and the Rock, had a lot to do with it too.

The biggest turning point for me had to be when WCW got Bret Hart in the company, that was when things looked extremely bleak and they completely screwed up the angle. The WWE couldn't afford his contract and he went into WCW just holding the WWF title and losing it off of a very controversial finish, the thing had ratings written all over, and instead they put him on TV as little as possible. WCW really fumbled here, if handled right, wrestling history could've really chagned.
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A big part of the problem when the WCW was starting to lose in the ratings was that a lot of the top stars were injured. From what I've seen, the plan was for Goldberg, whom just lost the title to Nash, to basically go through the Wolfpac members one by one until he got back to Hogan. Almost everyone ended up getting injured (including Goldberg) and this left them in a position where the guys thrusted in the spotlight simply weren't on TV. The same thing happened the following year when they tried to reform the nwo with Hart, Jarrett, and others.

All of the other reasons have been said, politics, guys getting lazy because they knew they had guaranteed pay days, drugs and alcohol, and the fact that WCW had a lot of guys that didn't belong in management. The rise of Austin and the Rock, had a lot to do with it too.

The biggest turning point for me had to be when WCW got Bret Hart in the company, that was when things looked extremely bleak and they completely screwed up the angle. The WWE couldn't afford his contract and he went into WCW just holding the WWF title and losing it off of a very controversial finish, the thing had ratings written all over, and instead they put him on TV as little as possible. WCW really fumbled here, if handled right, wrestling history could've really chagned.
Some truth here.
  • Lex Luger and Scott Hall were sidelined in February.
  • Bret Hart was sidelined in March. Then there was the Owen tragedy.
  • Hulk Hogan was injured by Spring Stampede 1999.
  • Goldberg went to film Universal Soldier 2 (he wasn't injured) in May.
  • Scott Steiner went down with an injury in May.

That left Sting, DDP and Ric Flair to headline shows. Kevin Nash was working 3 matches a month; Randy Savage was washed up through injury and working a light schedule.

Things may have turned out better that year if Goldberg's streak/title reign was still ongoing, Hollywood Hogan was onscreen heel president and kayfabe retired. Maybe created a USA vs. Mexico vs. Japan Cruiserweight war. Given Chris Jericho a mega push, introduced an ECW faction (Saturn, Raven, Whipwreck, Sandman, Public Enemy), not turned Buff Bagwell babyface, not turned DDP heel etc.
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Re: Eric Bischoff almost put the WWF out of the business

Ending Goldberg's streak like that was a BIG mistake. I heard that After Starrcade 98 was over and Heenan, Tenay and Schivone were walking in the parking lot or wherever Heenan said "they just killed the company", to which one of them agreed and the other said they were over-reacting. IDR who agreed and who didn't, but regardless ending Goldberg's streak like that when it was so hot really, really didn't help WCW. Wasn't the last quarter of 1998 the hottest quarter they ever had? And they just decided to blow it right then and there.

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Re: Eric Bischoff almost put the WWF out of the business

Bischoff had never had that kind of success before and didn't have the mentality to handle it, so he went apeshit and slowly killed the whole company. He's no Vince.
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