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Old 01-16-2013, 08:23 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Sure Bischoff got a bad memory, but so do a lot of wrestlers too, and I am pretty sure he got better recollection on what really went behind the scenes than any other wrestler.
Untrue and especially untrue when it comes to office and the journalist Eric would speak to multiple times a week.

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As for Kevin Nash, when did he ever say he booked himself to end the streak. From all the interviews Iäve seen he always claim he came to the booking commitee a couple of months later.
And that's a complete lie. Kevin Nash is a not a reliable source on the matter. Read his quotes in the Mick Foley 1999 title win he either doesn't remember anything about the time period of chooses to forget.


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Bryan Alvarez and RD Reynolds announced Tuesday on Figure Four Daily they have signed a deal with ECW Press to write a newly-expanded 10-year anniversary edition of the 2005 Wrestling Observer Newsletter Book of the Year, "The Death of WCW".

The original manuscript was significantly larger than the final product, largely due to the wrestling book market being significantly smaller at the time. Nearly everything that was cut out will be included in the revised edition, plus tons of quotes from the major players, a look at the ten years following the death of the company, a section debunking criticisms of the first book ("WCW died because of the AOL/Time Warner merger"), THE WOLFPACK and more.

The book (which will also be available in a limited-edition hardcover version) is expected to be released in mid-2014.

How You Can Contribute

If you have suggestions of topics to tackle or expand upon in this edition, email them to Bryan@wrestlingobserver.com. Both guys would also appreciate hearing from anyone who lived through that period (wrestlers, office staff, etc). Everything will be forwarded on to RD as well.

Thanks so much to everyone for all of the support. We hope that this anniversary edition will be a book that can be looked back upon historically as the definitive, most factually-accurate book detailing the death of what was, for a brief period, the biggest wrestling company in the history of the world.
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Old 01-16-2013, 08:27 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Well, every one can't have the top spot, WCW sure tried with the likes of Big Poppa Pump, Booker T, JEff Jarrett. Just because WCW didnt try to push everyone IWC likes does not mean they didnt try to push people. Heck they even pushed that boring and bland Lance Storm..
It was already too late by then, i meant when 1999 came around

if you think Lance is boring then maybe this hobby isn't for you, oh and they pushed him and it was good, we just didn't get to see what was planned past the tag team with Awesome phase
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Bischoff went nuts signing too many guys to guaranteed contracts.

Did he really need washed up or jabroni performers such as Scott Norton, Beverly Brothers, Glacier, Bobby Blaze, The Berzerker, Repo Man, Virgil, Jim Duggan, Public Enemy, The Barbarian, Chris Adams, Brutus Beefcake, Scotty Riggs, Barry Horowitz, Van Hammer, Horace Hogan, Crush and Scott Putski.

That is 20 completely pointless six figure salaries. Several luchadores were a waste of time too. He released the talented Sean Waltman as a message to Nash and Hall. Ted DiBiase and Rick Rude were barely used.

He also never took advantage of UK and Australia etc. WWE strongholds in which WCW had high ratings, but it was impossible to find WCW merchandise in them for a long time during the 90's boom.

The Warrior was a waste of 1 million dollars. Piper was paid even more to sit at home.
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Old 01-16-2013, 12:18 PM   #24 (permalink)
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wcw not pushing their young stars cost them
During the 90's, Goldberg was the only exception. That's why he got a godly pop after winning the World Title from Hogan, as it symbolized the first true rise of a new babyface star since Sting in the early 90's.
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Old 01-16-2013, 04:49 PM   #25 (permalink)
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A lot of this is WWE revisionist history.

-Jericho, Benoit, Guerro, and Malenko were all given strong storylines coming into the company, but then they all floundered in the midcard for years. Big Show came over and flopped massively as world champion. It's not like these guys came over and carried WWF on their backs to new heights. Rock and Austin had been doing that already for years.

-Nash and Bischoff have both said numerous times that Hogan was the ONLY person with creative control. I won't deny that Nash and Hall had a ton of power as well, but they didn't have nearly as much stroke as Hogan. Nash and Hart have both alluded to the fact that Bischoff would go along with whatever Hogan would agree with. Hogan ran the company.

-Why would Nash lie about booking? He was second most over wrestler in the company and he beat Goldberg with a cattle prod. He then laid down for Hogan essentially giving up all the momentum he had built himself in the last couple years. Sounds nothing like a guy who is all about protecting himself and someone who had the power to do so.

-These guys were above jobbing? Hall changed the finish in a match to put Jericho over because he knew that himself winning did nothing for anyone.

-Hall and Nash both offered to waive their Favored Nations clauses to allow WCW the opportunity to sign Bret Hart.

I'm not going to pretend that these guys didn't cause a lot of WCWs problems. But you have to get all of the information out there and not just things that were provided by the WWE. Vince was whining and complaining that WCW stole all his stars, when Vince himself raided all the territories of their top talent and put them out of business. Talk about the pot calling the kettle.
Most of that comes from WC and FF's "Death of WCW" book. Some of it i've retained from WWE documentaries, but you can usually tell which things are Vince's views and which are facts.

I'm not saying they started right away, but eventually they carried WWE (Benoit, Guerrero, Big Show, and Jericho were huge names after WCW's demise) [Not to mention, Austin, HHH, Taker, Foley, etc. were WCW alumni too]. A lot of the initial problems were Vince's WCW bias. He got Benoit seconds after WCW made him their champion, what'd he do? He makes him job to WWF Champion HHH and kills any chance at a feud. They could have milked that for months Benoit vs HHH. It's like when Vince acquired CURRENT WCW Champion Ric Flair and failed to utilize that. And again, the complete failure of the ECW/WCW/WWE merger. Vince's bias and incompetence interfered early on in cashing-in on 'sure things'.

Bischoff, on the other hand, cashed in on stars like Hall & Nash properly. Using their WWF heritage, rather than ignoring it.

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Untrue and especially untrue when it comes to office and the journalist Eric would speak to multiple times a week.



And that's a complete lie. Kevin Nash is a not a reliable source on the matter. Read his quotes in the Mick Foley 1999 title win he either doesn't remember anything about the time period of chooses to forget.


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Well I do take Both Bishoffs and Nash word over many other guys. Especially since I have not seen any concrete evidence that indicates the opposite.

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It was already too late by then, i meant when 1999 came around

if you think Lance is boring then maybe this hobby isn't for you, oh and they pushed him and it was good, we just didn't get to see what was planned past the tag team with Awesome phase
Oh sorry if my taste of what can draw is not as sophisitcated as yours.
Well, the did push Lance, he is a really great wrestler and got a fair push and I rather watch his mathes than Great Khalis matches any day of the week. But to me and many others he is still very uncharismatic and He is far from the total package. Just by looking at him I kind of knew he was never going to be the next Rock, Austin, Michaels, Benoit, Hogan, Warrior, Lesnar. I never go emotionally invovled in him. Sure amazing matches, but that does not take it to be successful and marketble.
And just because I think he is boring, and you suggest I should change hobby, who in the h*ll do you think you are to make such claims, I got my opinions, and you got yours, so If you cant deal with the fact that some people got other opinions than you, you really need to seek help my friend
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:00 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Well I do take Both Bishoffs and Nash word over many other guys. Especially since I have not seen any concrete evidence that indicates the opposite.
Then you can't be serious. They are on the shortlist of those wrestling personality who make the most embarrassing statements.
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so all they do is just lie everyday, not a single word is true. Are you saying that 100% of their interviews are just lies?
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Old 01-17-2013, 04:08 AM   #29 (permalink)
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so all they do is just lie everyday, not a single word is true. Are you saying that 100% of their interviews are just lies?
Not a 100% but the majority of there statements are usually easily debunked. Neither will accept responsibility for want they did in WCW as it hurts their employment opportunities and how they are seen.
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Bischoff along with his buddy Hogan put themselves out of business. Many more especially Russo, contributed to the demise of WCW.
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