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Old 01-15-2013, 06:32 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Here's what went wrong:

1. Ignored talented performers for name recognition legends of the 80s. The problem: The 80s guys only had a few years of mediocre matches left in them. . . The young talent had 10+ years to carry a product. What happened: They got mad and left for WWF and ultimately carried that company through the Modern Era (And with all the "Workhorses" gone, WCW had no one left to carry the company with all the "Stallions" retired.

Jericho, Guerrero, Benoit, Big Show, etc. all slipped through WCW's hands as they were too focused on getting guys for a temporary immediate cash-in.

WCW was incapable of evaluating the tremendous talent surrounding them.

2. nWo got too big. The plan was to make nWo its own brand so the large number of members made sense. However being a brand was contradictory to the organic nature of the group. When they bailed on making it a brand, it was just a HUGE group. Too many guys, and too many mediocre talent.

3. Contracts. Guys like Hall, Hogan, and Nash had no ceiling and a stipulation that guaranteed they remain the highest paid wrestlers on the roster. Which means if WCW wanted to acquire a huge-named WWF talent for top dollar, they had to give Hogan, Hall, and Nash a raise in pay as well. Not only were they paying a ridiculous amount of money to a handful of wrestlers, they also gave them creative control over themselves.

4. Booking. Nash denies this to the end, but when he ended Goldberg's streak, he was the booker. Rather convenient to give such a huge accolade to yourself. Also you had divas like Hogan, Hall, and Nash who would refuse to lose matches or drop titles. Creative, and Bischoff in general, were too spineless to stand-up to the divas (And Bischoff was too much of a 'friend' than a 'boss').

5. Vince was running WWF for a loss. He stubbornly kept the product alive and it paid off. When Turner sold ownership of his company to AOL/Time Warner, they immediately cut the struggling company that could have EASILY been saved. Vince proved faith and perseverance pay off, A/TW were spineless and cut the company's broadcasting (Making it worthless, thus why Bischoff didn't buy it) then sold it to Vince for practically nothing (Jericho himself said he would have bought it (WCW) if he knew how much Vince paid for it).

Basically WWF at its worse was worse than WCW in the end. The only difference was a passionate person calling the shots and persevering. A/TW were a bunch of suits who didn't know anything about the product they adopted and just wanted to unload it.

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Here's what went wrong:

1. Ignored talented performers for name recognition legends of the 80s. The problem: The 80s guys only had a few years of mediocre matches left in them. . . The young talent had 10+ years to carry a product. What happened: They got mad and left for WWF and ultimately carried that company through the Modern Era (And with all the "Workhorses" gone, WCW had no one left to carry the company with all the "Stallions" retired.

Jericho, Guerrero, Benoit, Big Show, etc. all slipped through WCW's hands as they were too focused on getting guys for a temporary immediate cash-in.

WCW was incapable of evaluating the tremendous talent surrounding them.

2. nWo got too big. The plan was to make nWo its own brand so the large number of members made sense. However being a brand was contradictory to the organic nature of the group. When they bailed on making it a brand, it was just a HUGE group. Too many guys, and too many mediocre talent.

3. Contracts. Guys like Hall, Hogan, and Nash had no ceiling and a stipulation that guaranteed they remain the highest paid wrestlers on the roster. Which means if WCW wanted to acquire a huge-named WWF talent for top dollar, they had to give Hogan, Hall, and Nash a raise in pay as well. Not only were they paying a ridiculous amount of money to a handful of wrestlers, they also gave them creative control over themselves.

4. Booking. Nash denies this to the end, but when he ended Goldberg's streak, he was the booker. Rather convenient to give such a huge accolade to yourself. Also you had divas like Hogan, Hall, and Nash who would refuse to lose matches or drop titles. Creative, and Bischoff in general, were too spineless to stand-up to the divas (And Bischoff was too much of a 'friend' than a 'boss').

5. Vince was running WWF for a loss. He stubbornly kept the product alive and it paid off. When Turner sold ownership of his company to AOL/Time Warner, they immediately cut the struggling company that could have EASILY been saved. Vince proved faith and perseverance pay off, A/TW were spineless and cut the company's broadcasting (Making it worthless, thus why Bischoff didn't buy it) then sold it to Vince for practically nothing (Jericho himself said he would have bought it (WCW) if he knew how much Vince paid for it).

Basically WWF at its worse was worse than WCW in the end. The only difference was a passionate person calling the shots and persevering. A/TW were a bunch of suits who didn't know anything about the product they adopted and just wanted to unload it.
A lot of this is WWE revisionist history.

-Jericho, Benoit, Guerro, and Malenko were all given strong storylines coming into the company, but then they all floundered in the midcard for years. Big Show came over and flopped massively as world champion. It's not like these guys came over and carried WWF on their backs to new heights. Rock and Austin had been doing that already for years.

-Nash and Bischoff have both said numerous times that Hogan was the ONLY person with creative control. I won't deny that Nash and Hall had a ton of power as well, but they didn't have nearly as much stroke as Hogan. Nash and Hart have both alluded to the fact that Bischoff would go along with whatever Hogan would agree with. Hogan ran the company.

-Why would Nash lie about booking? He was second most over wrestler in the company and he beat Goldberg with a cattle prod. He then laid down for Hogan essentially giving up all the momentum he had built himself in the last couple years. Sounds nothing like a guy who is all about protecting himself and someone who had the power to do so.

-These guys were above jobbing? Hall changed the finish in a match to put Jericho over because he knew that himself winning did nothing for anyone.

-Hall and Nash both offered to waive their Favored Nations clauses to allow WCW the opportunity to sign Bret Hart.

I'm not going to pretend that these guys didn't cause a lot of WCWs problems. But you have to get all of the information out there and not just things that were provided by the WWE. Vince was whining and complaining that WCW stole all his stars, when Vince himself raided all the territories of their top talent and put them out of business. Talk about the pot calling the kettle.
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I won't say Bischoff almost put Vince out of business, Vince almost put himself out of business.

Think about it. Bischoff was doing nothing different than what Vince did when building his promotion, as far as talent raids. Big difference is WCW had more money to throw around at the time. Turner didn't care about the price, he just wanted to be number 1. But, that same mentality was partly responsible for WCW's demise.
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WCW (Bischoff) got cocky and didn't evolve. They kept focusing on the same old wrestlers with a little Goldberg mixed in, who's push they butchered. They had a tremendously talented roster but failed to utilize it. Bischoff was so focused on the WWF that he kept saying in interviews it's not even a challenge anymore to battle the WWF in ratings etc, and they were giving away results beforehand. All those things contributed to people actually tuning into RAW. Ofcourse the Attitude Era helped a lot. WCW wasn't super PG but they weren't allowed to do the shit the WWF did, and DX was much cooler than the nWo when nWo got super big.
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Instead of focusing on the homefront, the guy was announcing Raw results live on Nitro. Even friends of mine that only watched WCW were rubbed the wrong way by that. It made the company look bad. I was switching between the two but after the Foley incident I, along with what seemed like everybody I knew, drew our line and started watching WWF exclusively.

Listening to some of the stories by guys like Flair gives you a little bit of insight on just how badly it was being run. I mean one guy says it and you dismiss it as hearsay but when several former employees are sharing the same stories that speaks for itself.
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For those who dont want to make up their own opinion and stories on why WCW died should instead read Bishoffs book,

The MAIN reason WCW falied was not lack of leadership, it did play a part but was not the main reason. The main reason was the Turner/Aol merger. The new owners did not want to be associated with WCW, and they enforced rules that WCW no longer could compete with WWF. WCW could not use that foul language and have that edgy approach or cutting edge things WWF did or WCW previously had. WWF and WCW was still competing for the same audience, but wcw was hogtied due to the merger and the rules.
This is the main reason WCW went under.

Sure a good leadership would have helped a bit, but not to save the company. Also Hogan was the easiest guy on the roster to work with of the top stars accoridng to Bishoff. Nas andHall was far worse.

LOL for stil thining Nash booked himself to go over Goldberg to satisfy his own ego. What proof do you have of this? Just a bunch of jealous mid card wrestlers from WCW at the time who dould not get a break?

Another thing that took some momentum off was due to the fact that Goldberg got carried away druing an angle and was stupid enough to put his arm through a car window. Goldberg was still hot, but since he was injured the angle cooled off and nWo had no one serious to feud with any more.
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LOL for stil thining Nash booked himself to go over Goldberg to satisfy his own ego. What proof do you have of this? Just a bunch of jealous mid card wrestlers from WCW at the time who dould not get a break?.
its because of bitchoff they couldnt get one in the first place when it was high time to try something new
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For those who dont want to make up their own opinion and stories on why WCW died should instead read Bishoffs book,
Oh lord. An immensely discredited book. Even Eric admits to having a poor memory in it. It didn't mention Zane Bresloff.

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LOL for stil thining Nash booked himself to go over Goldberg to satisfy his own ego. What proof do you have of this? Just a bunch of jealous mid card wrestlers from WCW at the time who dould not get a break?
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its because of bitchoff they couldnt get one in the first place when it was high time to try something new
Well, every one can't have the top spot, WCW sure tried with the likes of Big Poppa Pump, Booker T, JEff Jarrett. Just because WCW didnt try to push everyone IWC likes does not mean they didnt try to push people. Heck they even pushed that boring and bland Lance Storm.

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Oh lord. An immensely discredited book. Even Eric admits to having a poor memory in it. It didn't mention Zane Bresloff.



Source: Kevin Nash
Sure Bischoff got a bad memory, but so do a lot of wrestlers too, and I am pretty sure he got better recollection on what really went behind the scenes than any other wrestler.

As for Kevin Nash, when did he ever say he booked himself to end the streak. From all the interviews Iäve seen he always claim he came to the booking commitee a couple of months later.
On a side not which I tend to agree with Nash on though is the fact that some people started to grow tired of Goldberg in late 1998 and booing him, so WCW had taped Goldberg-chants at the arenas. Also that undefeated gimmick is so one dimensional. Sure it is good in the beginning, but then it just get stale and one dimensional. So the wrestler needs to get away from that in order get to the next level. Nash at the time was the most over face in the company except for Goldberg and maybe DDP so I dont see anyone else to end the streak.

For mepersonally I didnt want Nash to end Goldbergs streak. I wanted some one else. But cant think of any proper and realisticly at the time. Maybe Warrior if he stayed and turned heel.
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well which was the mistake wcw did to let wwe take the lead back in the ratings back in the 90´s??, Im just read nitro beat raw lost 50 weeks in a row, they have it all, with the nwo being so hot at that time, goldberg, bret hart , what happen?
The mistake that WCW made to put help WWF's Raw beat Nitro's in the rating for the first time in over the year was when Tony Schiavone announced live on Nitro that Mick Foley would be winning the WWF title live on Raw that night. He then mocked the decision to make him champion, in an effort to make people not bother switching over to Raw because they already knew what happened. The funny thing is that the total opposite happened. At that moment 100,000's of viewers switched over from Nitro to Raw because they wanted to see the title change hands and WCW threw away all their good work in one foul swoop.

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