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Old 01-10-2013, 05:54 AM   #31 (permalink)
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This had to be one of the worst years in pro wresting. What are your thoughts?
lol totally ignoring Japan here.
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No I never said they were bad but they weren't doing any spectacular stuff either before the jump to WCW IMO.

The overall product was just lame as fuck both for WWF and WCW.

Of course there are always some good matches in any year in wrestling.

I have seen many here name 2009 as the worst year, but IMO SD wasn't that bad.
I guess it's a matter of defining what a bad year of wrestling is. I much rather watch WWF pre Nash/Hall leaving for WCW than the following years of Hart/Shamrock/Michaels.

And yes I'm talking about the in-ring wrestling.
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That's something that I want to talk about.

If you'll check the bad roster of 1995 (And it WAS the worst roster ever), you'll see a lot of guys that actually made it and were great during the attitude.

That shows you that EVERYONE can be a star, and if the WWE will just give it a shot, we can get another boom period.

Hell, in Wrestling level, the 1998 roster was WORSE then the 1995 roster!

I just hate it when people say "Today's wrestler are the sh*t, we'll never get a good product". If Kama Mustafa and Issac Yankem became stars in 1998, the WWE can do anything!
It's not the talent that is shit, it's the booking that is shit.


And that all pales in comparison to 1995, where we had Hogan in recycled angles, a plumber, a dentist, a sanitation worker, a pig farmer, a plumber, the firing of Steve Austin because he wouldn't be a star, Mabel as KOTR, a football player going over in the main event of Wrestlemania, inability to sell out house shows and the fact that neither company, at the time, knew how they would catch their next break. Hall & Nash put those wheels in motion.

And your logic that 1995 wasn't bad because they produced stars 3 YEARS LATER, couldn't the same be said for 2012 guys in 2015? The fact that those guys from 1995 who became relevant was solely because the guy writing the shit had nothing to do with what was happening in 1995.

A new writing team, a new direction in society, departure of Hall & Nash and smoke clearing from the steroid scandal all contributed into making WWE a turnaround over the next 2 years so at least become entertaining. But in 1995, what was entertaining from WCW or WWE?
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Default Re: 1995: The year in prowrestling that sucked tremendously

Where is the hate for 2007?

- Death of Chris Benoit
- Beginning of banning certain moves and blade jobs (PG Era)
- Cena's reign of terror
- Khali as World Champion
- Tons of injuries to top stars (Cena, Taker, Edge, HHH, etc)
- Rosie vs. Trump on Raw
- Death of Cruiserweight division
- Vince's illegitimate child (Hornswoggle)

and the list goes on and on.
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:53 AM   #35 (permalink)
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It's not the talent that is shit, it's the booking that is shit.


And that all pales in comparison to 1995, where we had Hogan in recycled angles, a plumber, a dentist, a sanitation worker, a pig farmer, a plumber, the firing of Steve Austin because he wouldn't be a star, Mabel as KOTR, a football player going over in the main event of Wrestlemania, inability to sell out house shows and the fact that neither company, at the time, knew how they would catch their next break. Hall & Nash put those wheels in motion.

And your logic that 1995 wasn't bad because they produced stars 3 YEARS LATER, couldn't the same be said for 2012 guys in 2015? The fact that those guys from 1995 who became relevant was solely because the guy writing the shit had nothing to do with what was happening in 1995.

A new writing team, a new direction in society, departure of Hall & Nash and smoke clearing from the steroid scandal all contributed into making WWE a turnaround over the next 2 years so at least become entertaining. But in 1995, what was entertaining from WCW or WWE?
You didn't understand me. 1995 WAS a bad year, no doubt.

I've said that if the WWE could take THE SAME ROSTER that produced a bad year and put those people in a position to succeed, then they can take today's roster and as you've said, just book it good so we could get a good product. That's it. Shows you that it's not the wrestlers, it's the writers.
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It's funny. 1994 WWF is one of my favorite years, and almost immediately with the 1995 Rumble, it was already a big mess and continued until about November. The WWF definitely had all of the talent that they needed. The main event was definitely lacking, but the midcard and tag team division were still full and well. Sure, it's much easier to re-book the year in retrospect, because we know what worked (very little that year), what didn't work, and what might have worked better.

MAIN EVENT: Bret Hart, The Undertaker, Diesel, Yokozuna.
(That's all that I can think of. Backlund was done after Mania XI, Michaels was back to the IC Title after Mania XI, Mabel just isn't worth mentioning.)

UPPER CARD: Sid Justice, Razor Ramon, Shawn Michaels, British Bulldog.
(These guys were either former main eventers or flirted with the main event enough where they could have been pushed and succeeded, whether temporarily or permanently.)

MID CARD: Lex Luger, Bam Bam Bigelow, Owen Hart, Jeff Jarrett, 1-2-3 Kid, Tatanka.
(Sure, there are plenty more, but these are the more popular ones. An impressive list none the less.)

We can see the obvious there that the WWF had the talent, but it was just a down year in wrestling all around. Sure, they could have booked it better (Bret as Champion....Easily), but it is what it is.
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Old 01-11-2013, 03:32 AM   #37 (permalink)
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It's funny. 1994 WWF is one of my favorite years, and almost immediately with the 1995 Rumble, it was already a big mess and continued until about November. The WWF definitely had all of the talent that they needed. The main event was definitely lacking, but the midcard and tag team division were still full and well. Sure, it's much easier to re-book the year in retrospect, because we know what worked (very little that year), what didn't work, and what might have worked better.

MAIN EVENT: Bret Hart, The Undertaker, Diesel, Yokozuna.
(That's all that I can think of. Backlund was done after Mania XI, Michaels was back to the IC Title after Mania XI, Mabel just isn't worth mentioning.)

UPPER CARD: Sid Justice, Razor Ramon, Shawn Michaels, British Bulldog.
(These guys were either former main eventers or flirted with the main event enough where they could have been pushed and succeeded, whether temporarily or permanently.)

MID CARD: Lex Luger, Bam Bam Bigelow, Owen Hart, Jeff Jarrett, 1-2-3 Kid, Tatanka.
(Sure, there are plenty more, but these are the more popular ones. An impressive list none the less.)

We can see the obvious there that the WWF had the talent, but it was just a down year in wrestling all around. Sure, they could have booked it better (Bret as Champion....Easily), but it is what it is.
The problem was that they had way too much faces. When you want a face champion, you can't have a roster without credible heels. Nash had no one to fight, hence his reign sucked ass. Also, they stopped with the Owen-Bret feud and the Kliq stopped fighting because they were on the same side. So they had nothing.
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lol totally ignoring Japan here.
o yeah forgot to say I didn't watch japan. didn't watch mexico either. fuck it.

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Where is the hate for 2007?

- Death of Chris Benoit
- Beginning of banning certain moves and blade jobs (PG Era)
- Cena's reign of terror
- Khali as World Champion
- Tons of injuries to top stars (Cena, Taker, Edge, HHH, etc)
- Rosie vs. Trump on Raw
- Death of Cruiserweight division
- Vince's illegitimate child (Hornswoggle)

and the list goes on and on.
This is worse than 2009. 2009 had the punk/hardyu feud which was great imo.

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Default Re: 1995: The year in prowrestling that sucked tremendously

WCW in 1995 had some pretty good stuff imo.
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WCW in 1995 had some pretty good stuff imo.
Like what? The Renegade? Hulk Hogan?
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