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Old 01-08-2013, 10:04 PM   #11 (permalink)
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First of all, Todd Pettengil was awesome. He knew just the right amount to cheese it up and did his job well. I loved when he interviewed that Bill Clinton impersonator.

Second, sure Diesel sucked ass but I wouldn't place all the blame on Nash. WWE basically did a Cena job on him, turning him from a snarling bad ass who would punch your lights out to a smiling idiot with a santa hat on in his first PPV as champ. I don't think they gave him a clean win for a couple of PPVs either into his championship.

The only think that saved the WWF somewhat was the funny commentary of Vince, King, Perfect, JR etc.

95 WCW Hogan and friends was beyond awful. The Shark? The Yeti? The dungeon of doom?

Indeed 95 sucked though - jesus the 95 Royal Rumble was hideous.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:27 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I'm sorry but I would choose 1995 over WWE 2010 2011 and 2012 any day.
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Old 01-08-2013, 11:21 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Sorry, but unlike 1995, 2012 set out on a mission to fuck up, destroy and then do the worst possible job of reinventing some of the most simple fucking wrestling concepts that a 2 year old could figure them out. Things like "don't beat the heel twice clean on television in the weeks preceding the PPV and expect people to pay $55 to buy the PPV just to end up seeing the heel win." Yeah, 1995 didn't fuck up that badly.

1995 was just a bad year. 2012 made people seriously question why they were still wrestling fans, the WWE has made wrestling THAT uncool, uninteresting and so completely devalued and meaningless.
But doesn't that come with us being older as fans and expecting things to always cater to our liking?


I personally enjoyed 2012, mainly Wrestlemania, Extreme Rules, Punk's heel turn, Team Hell No. But I hated People Power, I'm tired of Big Show and I hate how every belt not named the WWE Title seems irrelevant.

But, that's nothing compared to the most boring title reign in history, the worst push in wrestling history and a series of the worst PPV's in wrestling history.

The big problem is, in 1995, the business was searching for that next surge, that was sparked by the competition. IMO, unless TNA gets their shit together, WWE won't improve because they have no reason to. They are geared towards children and when you're closest competition drops the ball at the goal line everytime, they aren't in danger because that younger fanbase is what is going to keep them going.


Bottom line, if we possessed the same knowledge we have no in other eras in wrestling outside of the Attitude Era, we would call that out, too. And comparing what I saw in 1995 to 2012, with the concept of what I like to see in wrestling, 1995 was far worse and it's not even close.
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I don't think that Diesel and Scott Hall were bad wrestlers though. Especially not back in 95 when they were working with Shawn Michaels.
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Old 01-09-2013, 06:20 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Japan was the place to be back then
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Sorry, but unlike 1995, 2012 set out on a mission to fuck up, destroy and then do the worst possible job of reinventing some of the most simple fucking wrestling concepts that a 2 year old could figure them out. Things like "don't beat the heel twice clean on television in the weeks preceding the PPV and expect people to pay $55 to buy the PPV just to end up seeing the heel win." Yeah, 1995 didn't fuck up that badly.

1995 was just a bad year. 2012 made people seriously question why they were still wrestling fans, the WWE has made wrestling THAT uncool, uninteresting and so completely devalued and meaningless.
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2012 is even worse than 1995 but I didn't want to start a talk about 2012 in a 1995 thread but I'm not surprised it's already mentioned because it's true.
In 1995 we had shitty gimmicks but at least the wrestling shows were about wrestling. They mentioned the make-a-wish stuff 1-2 times in a year but it was all about the wrestlers and the matches no matter how good or bad they are unlike today.
We had some hilarious match types like the hog pen match or the kiss my foot match but at least every match had a real storyline why they had this match.
Today it's just "I will fight you for the 500th time to see who the better man is" or "I want you in this type of match because that match type is also the name of the next PPV"
WWE accomplished to have a shitty year depite appearances by The Rock, Brock Lesnar, Triple H, The Undertaker, Shawn Michaels and Paul Heyman. The big names in 1995 like Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Randy Savage or Sting were unavailable because they were in WCW and the stars who were in WWE during that time like Bret Hart, The Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, Razor Ramon and Diesel didn't disappoint when they had a match against each other.
1995 had a wrestler vs football star but even that match had a good storyline. Lawrence Taylor is in the crowd at the Rumble and Bam Bam pushed him because he was frustrated that he lost, they had an emotional face to face confrontation and they agreed to the match. Today you had The Rock appearing and saying "I will get a titleshot in 8 months" with no real explanation why (because of the movies). You had Triple H appearing and saying "Brock I hate you so much that I want to fight you in 3 months" with no real explanation why not earlier if he hates him so much (because of Lesnar's contract).
You had shitty matches like Undertaker vs Kama, Bret Hart vs Isaac Yankem or Diesel vs King Mabel but at least they tried it with established stars vs "not established wrestlers" matches. Today you have only 5-6 established guys like The Rock, Lesnar, Triple H, Undertaker, Cena and Punk who already had matches and they will have multiple matches in the future against each other without letting anybody else getting a chance.
There are many other examples why 2012 is probably the worst year, even worse than 1995. 1995 was just a bad year like Bossy said
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2012 wasn't bad

-The biggest possible dream feud and match happened
-Lesnar's return
-CM Punk epic title run
-Rise of Ryback
-Shield
-Daniel Bryan getting shitty storylines and turning them into GOLD
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Default Re: 1995: The year in prowrestling that sucked tremendously

95 was a hideous year for both major companys the worst year each of them had in the last 25 years. One positive was that I started watching ECW because of how horrible the big 2 were.

Anybody who thinks 2012 was worse either doesn't remember how terrible 95 was or doesn't think getting a handfull of good-great matches every week is better than getting a handfull of good matches in an entire year.

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I don't think that Diesel and Scott Hall were bad wrestlers though. Especially not back in 95 when they were working with Shawn Michaels.
No I never said they were bad but they weren't doing any spectacular stuff either before the jump to WCW IMO.

The overall product was just lame as fuck both for WWF and WCW.

Of course there are always some good matches in any year in wrestling.

I have seen many here name 2009 as the worst year, but IMO SD wasn't that bad.

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ECW was very good in 95. I'd say they were the best promotion in north America that year. I never watched through 95 ECW until I started my American Hardcore Theatre thread, and I've enjoyed watching through. The Raven vs Dreamer feud, Guerrero vs Malenko series(9 incredible singles matches), and the incredible Bill Alphonso Penn State Athletic Commissioner storyline where Cactus Jack turns heel with the best promos in wrestling history. A shit load of underrated, rarely ever seen matches. Rey Mysterio, Psicosis, Al Snow, Benoit, Marty Jannet, and of course Steve Austin's incredible return from the injury that led to him being fired from WCW. Austin in ECW was must see in 1995.

I'd put ECW Hostile City Showdown 95 and November To Remember 95 over any of WCW or WWF's pay per views from 95.
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