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Old 01-06-2013, 06:05 PM   #21 (permalink)
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What changed the tide was

1. WCW announcing the WWF results and Mankind Title Win
Had absolutely ZERO to do with anything. Nobody gave a fuck except WWE fanbois who will parrot whatever propaganda comes out of Vince's ass.
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2. The WWF having a better visual product and Edgier product
The hell they did. Nitro looked better all the way up till the very end, and it still looks better than WWE does today.
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3. WCW having no direction in regards to story lines (The NWO never ended).
Bad booking did play a large role, but wasn't what killed it.
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4. WCW passing on developing new stars and instead focusing on Old Guys from the WWE. (WCW developed - DDP, Giant, and Goldberg) while the WWF had Austin, Rock, Mandkind, HHH, Angle, and Vince McMahon.
Utter bullshit. The cruiserweight division produced WWE's future of the 2000s decade after Vince raided the talent. Most of what drove WWE from 2001 to 2005 was WCW developed wrestlers which includes Steve Austin, Mankind, and HHH. Oh, and funny you criticize WCW for "old guys" over young guys then list old ass Vince McMahon as one of WWE's positives. LOL.
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5. The Fingerpoke of Doom was a microcosom of everything that was wrong with WCW, while it devalued the title and didn't make much sense it wasn't the reason for WCW losing the ratings war.
No it didn't. Once again this is nothing but the parroting of propaganda while totally ignoring the fact that HBK & HHH had done the equivalent of the Finger Poke of Doom with the Euro title. They get a pass from the WWE fanbois who then hypocritically cite Hogan and Nash doing it as some sort of Doomsday for WCW.

Jamie Kellner killed WCW. Bottom line. None of that other shit really mattered except in TV ratings, but every wrestling company goes through ups and downs with the ratings.
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Old 01-07-2013, 01:58 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Nash is full of it, he wanted to cool Goldbergs jets so he booked himself to win. He probably intended on a long reign until Hogan wanted the title then he saw it as a way to try to get the heat off of him. The poke of doom symbolized what fans hated about WCW and how NWO ran everything. Nash/Hogan killed WCW.
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Old 01-07-2013, 02:33 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Nash/Hogan did not kill WCW, although they didn't keep it alive after 1998.


That merger killed WCW. Like I said before, from January till the end of April, ratings remained strong for WCW, averaging a 4.2 but after that, shit got worse and that was because they got so far away from the original angle, nobody knew what was going on.


And from an interview I read from Nash, him and Hogan weren't seeing eye to eye at the time. Supposedly, the proposition Hogan made was Nash would end the streak and drop the belt to him a week later and in return, Nash got a seat in the booking committee. Either way, I don't blame Nash for what happened with the situation. Somebody needed to end the streak, although DDP might have been a better choice. And people complain so much about Nash ending the streak but that wasn't the big problem, the problem was Hogan using his leverage to get the belt a week later and in the months following, distance himself from Goldberg because he wanted to be face.


Hogan fucked it all up. Even after the Fingerpoke, it could have worked but no, he wanted to turn face. Then in August, he felt it was the right idea to beat Nash in a retirement match, eventhough Nash returned in October and Hogan himself would leave 2 weeks later. What sense did that make?


Hogan fucked that angle all up but that was not responsible for the death of WCW. Y'all quit buying into the revisionist history WWE tells and look at the facts. WCW was fucked in '96 when Time Warner merged and even more so when AOL merged and like Nash said, it wasn't just WCW sold, they sold the Braves, Hawks, everything that had something to do with Turner.
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Old 01-07-2013, 04:43 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Had absolutely ZERO to do with anything. Nobody gave a fuck except WWE fanbois who will parrot whatever propaganda comes out of Vince's ass.

The hell they did. Nitro looked better all the way up till the very end, and it still looks better than WWE does today.

Bad booking did play a large role, but wasn't what killed it.

Utter bullshit. The cruiserweight division produced WWE's future of the 2000s decade after Vince raided the talent. Most of what drove WWE from 2001 to 2005 was WCW developed wrestlers which includes Steve Austin, Mankind, and HHH. Oh, and funny you criticize WCW for "old guys" over young guys then list old ass Vince McMahon as one of WWE's positives. LOL.

No it didn't. Once again this is nothing but the parroting of propaganda while totally ignoring the fact that HBK & HHH had done the equivalent of the Finger Poke of Doom with the Euro title. They get a pass from the WWE fanbois who then hypocritically cite Hogan and Nash doing it as some sort of Doomsday for WCW.

Jamie Kellner killed WCW. Bottom line. None of that other shit really mattered except in TV ratings, but every wrestling company goes through ups and downs with the ratings.
Nobody gave a fuck yet thousands and thousands of people switched to RAW to see Foley win the WWF Title, resulting in RAW easily beating Nitro that day in the ratings. How is that not a completely retarded move on WCW's part? And it possibly made a lot of wrestling fans more aware of WWF's product and direction, i.e. exposure.

Nitro looked better than RAW does now? Yeah, let's ignore all the obvious production improvements, HD titantron etc. Bullshit.

You're once again reaching with this "lolz WWE fanbois (bois? really?)" shit. DX did it with the fucking EUROPEAN TITLE. The lowest of the lowest, the least prestigious. And in the context of things it made sense because HBK was the WWF Champ anyway, and they were selfish dicks and wanted to keep the Euro Title in the family. The Fingerpoke of Doom was far worse because Nash had babyface potential, the fans were cheering him after Starrcade, coming off a huge win. Next night Hogan returns and he lays down willingly to give away the fuckin' World Title. Yay, another nWo reunion. I agree the Poke of Doom didn't destroy WCW, it's part of a long list of shitty booking mistakes.

Bringing up Jamie Kellner is so cliché, every hardcore WCW fan comes up with that shit. Yes, he was the guy that pulled the trigger in the end but guess why? Because ratings were down big time, the product was shit and they were losing MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of dollars. Why would you keep funding a money pit? That just doesn't make sense. The network didn't want wrestling, but I'm pretty damn sure if the ratings were good enough, there was clear potential to battle the WWF again in the near future and they were actually making money then the network would have just kept Nitro around. No doubt.

Just stop it.
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I dont know hown he can try and justify the finger poke of doom. The most retarded World Title change in history. It was dumb then and it's dumb now.
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I dont know hown he can try and justify the finger poke of doom. The most retarded World Title change in history. It was dumb then and it's dumb now.
Yep. You could argue Arquette winning it in a tag match was even more retarded :Bischoff
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I'm surprised Nash didn't say Goldberg was too small to be a world champion and that's why he took the title off of him.
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probably nash/hogan politics at there best, nash wanted to end the streak, then hogan trumped his creative card and wanted to be the man again, so he came in

i also think hogan probably had a hand in putting the goldberg math 6 days before BATB, he knew he had to job to goldberg, this way the focus was back on him in 6 days

but i don't think this night was as important as some think, i believe wcw still won the overrun that night, and there ratings never went south that much, maybe somebody could post figures

and so what if thousands switched over, wwe makes it sound like 5 mill all at once turned over

important moment-yes
game changer-no
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Bringing up Jamie Kellner is so cliché, every hardcore WCW fan comes up with that shit. Yes, he was the guy that pulled the trigger in the end but guess why? Because ratings were down big time, the product was shit and they were losing MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of dollars. Why would you keep funding a money pit? That just doesn't make sense. The network didn't want wrestling, but I'm pretty damn sure if the ratings were good enough, there was clear potential to battle the WWF again in the near future and they were actually making money then the network would have just kept Nitro around. No doubt.
That's just wrong, although the rest of your post is right.

Ratings were down, but if they cancel WCW, why didn't they cancel anything else? WCW was still the highest rated show on their network.

Look at this: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/19/bu...new-chief.html

They clearly say why they don't want WCW on their network: They just didn't thought Wrestling is fitting to their new image. I mean, come on, if your argument was right, then why is TNA still alive?

"The product was shit"? Why should they care about the product? They don't watch wrestling. They don't care what WCW put as long as it brings rating.

And the money argument is nothing. A lot of people say that the reason that Kellner killed WCW was because they lost money, but after they would sell it, they shouldn't care about it because it's not their money anymore. It's Bischoff's. Actually, they lost money because of Turner's decision because he sold WCW to Vince in a lower price and in the end, AOL still had to pay for Hogan, Nash etc. while they were sitting in their homes (While if Bischoff would buy WCW, he would've got those contracts).
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The hell they did. Nitro looked better all the way up till the very end, and it still looks better than WWE does today.
Uh, no they didn't. They had the same generic look the whole time. Even the pyros weren't that great. Raw looked way more badass.

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No it didn't. Once again this is nothing but the parroting of propaganda while totally ignoring the fact that HBK & HHH had done the equivalent of the Finger Poke of Doom with the Euro title. They get a pass from the WWE fanbois who then hypocritically cite Hogan and Nash doing it as some sort of Doomsday for WCW.
The European title isn't a world title and that makes a big difference. It was just mostly a second tier midcard title that Bulldog did almost nothing with the whole year, so no one really cared what happened to it. Doing this with the WCW title and with the single biggest draw in the company's history (Goldberg) is clearly not the same situation.
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