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Analyze This: Five Moves of Doom

One of the favorite terms used by many to criticize the face of the company. Bret Hart, Cena, Hogan are some of the main accused of using it to end a match where they take a lot of beating initially and then come back with it to get the pin/submission, esp the last two.

The below are the most commonly seen "five moves of doom" of Cena

1. Flying shoulder block
2. Sitout hip toss or multiple clotheslines
3. Side release spinout slam
4. Five Knuckle Shuffle
5. FU

Hogan's moves after hulking up is even more simpler with three punches, big boot and leg drop. The inverted atomic drop, Russian legsweep, backbreaker, elbowdrop from the second rope, and Sharpshooter were Bret Hart's five moves to end the match.

Do you think that the face of the company are the ones who are usually tied to the "five moves of doom" and is it believable to you when he comes back and finishes a match no matter how much he is beaten? Any other examples from the past/present who use this that you can think of?

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Re: Analyze This: Five Moves of Doom

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One of the favorite terms used by many to criticize the face of the company. Bret Hart, Cena, Hogan are some of the main accused of using it to end a match where they take a lot of beating initially and then come back with it to get the pin/submission, esp the last two.

The below are the most commonly seen "five moves of doom" of Cena

1. Flying shoulder block
2. Sitout hip toss or multiple clotheslines
3. Side release spinout slam
4. Five Knuckle Shuffle
5. FU

Hogan's moves after hulking up is even more simpler with three punches, big boot and leg drop. The inverted atomic drop, Russian legsweep, backbreaker, elbowdrop from the second rope, and Sharpshooter were Bret Hart's five moves to end the match.

Do you think that the face of the company are the ones who are usually tied to the "five moves of doom" and is it believable to you when he comes back and finishes a match no matter how much he is beaten? Any other examples from the past/present who use this that you can think of?
Definitely but I don't recall it being on the same scale as John Cena. The Rock usually had a peaoples elbow that was preceeded by a spine buster or samoan drop but that's about it. The Rock bottom came from out of nowhere, like HBK's super kick. I don't recall a fixed number of moves that preceeded the Rock bottom especially not a fixed formula anyway.

I think a lot of it is to do with marketability. I remember watching that famous meme for last years WM with that kid copying Cena. I think kids like repetition and they like imitating their stars so when Cena does the 5 knuckle shuffle, they do the 5 knuckle shuffle. But like I said I dont recall the Rock being so fixed and formulatic. Hogan was from a different generation that quite frankly was downright laughable.

That being said though I really found Austin to be boring in terms of wrestling. I felt that way since I started watching wrestling in the AE. His wrestling involved so many punches and kicks. I didn't know the reason was because of the neck but still I found his matches to be very dull. His match against taker at Judgement Day 01 was a prime example of that. Punch kick punch kick strangle, kick- stunner!!

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Re: Analyze This: Five Moves of Doom

Many excellent workers have Five Moves of Doom. The thing about Cena, Hogan and Hart is that theirs are much more common. I don't think it's that big a deal though.


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Re: Analyze This: Five Moves of Doom

I think everybody has their combination of moves, or "trademarks". Whether its Undertaker's snake eyes into the big boot or CM Punk's running knee to the bulldog but its when a guy seemingly only uses those moves to win and it becomes a recurring ending sequence it becomes problematic.

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Hogan would go the whole match without offense and do his 5 moves...match over, Cena has don't that a lot too, not as much recently though. I don't remember Bret ever using his 5 moves of doom straight and winning a match, I only remember HBK doing it once. There's a stark difference between having a set of trademark moves and it being 5 moves of doom.
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Fans get excited when the sequence begins, note when HBK lands the flying forearm, they know what comes after that. However they never really expect that after the flying elbow that an opponent is gonna just waltz into a SCM and the match will end. It never really went that way. However with Hogan, when the sequence began, you can start packing your bags because the opponent won't kick out nor will he break the sequence. That's the difference to me.
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Re: Analyze This: Five Moves of Doom

I personally find them kind of annoying since they are so predictable but I can understand why wrestlers have it. Although I hate when they become lazy and resort to it the way Cena has for quite a while.

Cena's 5MOD variations go either:

Flying shoulder block 2x > Spin out powerbomb > 5 Knuckle Shuffle > FU (> STF)
Or the old one
Shoulder block > Double clothesline > Spin out powerbomb > 5 Knuckle Shuffle > FU

Another popular name with the 5 moves of doom is Shawn Michaels. Flying forearm (followed by kip-up) > Inverted atomic drop > multiple punches/clotheslines > Scoop Slam > Elbow drop > Sweet Chin Music.
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Re: Analyze This: Five Moves of Doom

Rikishi had the best 5 moves of doom

Irish Whip->Charging Butt Bump->Stink Face-> Power Kick->Banzai Drop

nothing can beat it, it makes sense, very entertaining
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Re: Analyze This: Five Moves of Doom

I feel Hogan's basic 5 moves of doom was much worse than Cena, seeing as how Hogan did it for over 20 years. Big difference was the era. Hogan's era was all about the big face comeback and was highly believable. Today, fans don't really respect a wrestler unless he goes out and does a hundred suplexes or is a submission master. I figure the big problem with Cena is he's turning out just like Hogan without the "Hulking Up", which gives the effect that Cena doesn't sell and after getting his ass handed to him for 10-20 minutes, it makes his opponent look weak.

Bret wasn't as bad either, as he was able to tell a better story with it than anybody else in the OP. But, out of all those guys, if you're familiar with their early work, you'd realize that they are skilled wrestlers but in an entertainment based company, that isn't the selling point.
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Re: Analyze This: Five Moves of Doom

Randy Orton has his moves of doom too.

Clothesline
Clothesline
Powerslam
2nd rope hanging DDT
RKO
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Re: Analyze This: Five Moves of Doom

You forgot that modified backbreaker and the methodical stomping of his opponent.
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Re: Analyze This: Five Moves of Doom

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I think everybody has their combination of moves, or "trademarks". Whether its Undertaker's snake eyes into the big boot or CM Punk's running knee to the bulldog but its when a guy seemingly only uses those moves to win and it becomes a recurring ending sequence it becomes problematic.
I agree. Every superstar has a setup for their finishing; sometimes they'll get there differently (Punk does this often, so much so it's usually a surprise when he signals for the GTS).

I also only heard of the 5 moves of doom once Cena started doing it. I think what makes it "5 moves of doom" is regardless if it's 5, 6, 1, or 100. What makes it "dooming" is that it's the only way they finish a match. It's not necessarily the finish of the match (specifically the winner's finishing move), it's how it got there. Cena doesn't win a match unless he does the 5 moves of doom, or at least the FU; that's the problem. He usually puts on decent matches however, which is then confusing.

How can he be so productive in the ring for 10 minutes, then just rely only on the 5 moves of doom? He obviously has more in his repertoire, but the reason he chooses the 5 moves is the mystery in the OP. That's really the question we need to ask. Bret Hart didn't have to do 5 moves to beat an opponent, neither does Cena; why do they always do it?

I think it's just for familiarity. You tune into RAW to see a story line, some wrestling, but more importantly because you're comfortable with this made up world (where the good guys always finish a match in only 1 way). So, like jonoaries said, it's a trademark that makes the one wrestler stick out; it gives you something to look forward to when watching, something to expect and crave.

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