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Old 12-05-2012, 10:42 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Raven in the WWF: Missed Mega-Star?

Like many of you, I figuratively climax at the site of great heel work. And I'd be ignorant and borderline brain dead to pretend that Raven wasn't one of the greatest heel promo guys in wrestling history. The Raven character in ECW and partially in WCW (before they ruined it) was just gold on every level. The only problem, outside of the feud with DDP, it was never elevated to a prime time feud on a major level. (I say this because ECW wasn't widely broadcasted early on)

Moving on to the WWF, and enter Raven. Helps Tazz win a match with Jerry Lawler... That's it? I mean, it was badass, I won't lie, and it still is. Raven pops up out of no where, the crowd pops huge, and Raven hits the Even Flow (fuck the Raven Effect) on Lawler. Awesome, but it went no where. No dark, almost poetic Raven-esque promos. No segments that capture the aura of Raven. Just throwing him into the midcard hell that was the Hardcore Division, when the entertainment value of it was beginning to wear off.

But still, Raven vs. Rhyno at Backlash 2001 was fucking sick. He did have his moments, and maybe the great Raven character that a lot of us grew to know and love had us expecting and wanting more, completely taking away from the good moments that he had in the WWF. Or maybe it was just a let down and he truly deserved more.

Use your brains people. Just what could have Raven done in the WWF/E? (Feuds, matches, Title runs, etc. Maybe a revival of the Flock?)
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Old 12-05-2012, 11:08 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Raven in the WWF: Missed Mega-Star?

In 2001, at best I could see Raven as an upper mid card talent. However, I felt if Raven had any chance of really being a main event guy in WWE, it would have been if he joined in 1997 instead of going to WCW. Also, his massive ovation in his WWE return was expected because it was Philly, eventhough I feel Raven was a pretty big performer regardless and could have gotten a positive reaction no matter the city.

As for 2000-2001, I would have liked to see a feud between Raven/Raven's Nest and The Hardy Boyz, with the angle being that Lita had joined up with Raven, who was the real face of "Xtreme". From that point on, he would try to basically ruin the life of Matt Hardy, with eventually Jeff turning on his brother and being brainwashed by Raven.

IMO, the Raven character was always good for mind games. Couldn't really see him further up the card or getting much of a major push due to his past with the company & Vince. So, maybe at best, feuding with Eddie over the IC Title but in order for Raven to really shine, there needed to be some form of manipulation and from looking at the state of the WWE in 2000-2001, I figure it would have been entertaining to see a Raven/Hardy Boyz feud.
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Old 12-06-2012, 12:45 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: Raven in the WWF: Missed Mega-Star?

One of my all time favorite characters. He had it all.

In wwe I would have liked to see him feud with mankind, Austin, undertaker, Hart...

Best heel of all time.
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Old 12-06-2012, 06:02 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: Raven in the WWF: Missed Mega-Star?

I can remember him joining WWF, and a lot of people talking about a WWF version of 'Ravens Nest/Ravens Flock', I think that could have been somewhat interesting. Have him be a cult leader of guys like Al Snow, Albert and younger guys coming through. Although that would have been a blatant rip, it still would have made more sense than what happened.

I always thought a feud with Mick Foley would have been special in WWF, but Mick was involved in other things at the time. Still, a Foley as commissioner VS Raven and his friends leading to a Foley VS Raven match at 'Mania would have been pretty cool.

Recently I watched a lot of Raven stuff on Youtube, his ECW stuff especially. To watch them, and to see him in the debut of the 'What' catchphrase segment with Stone Cold is just tedious. I have read different takes on the InVasion and my favorite one has Raven deflecting from the Alliance and not being WWF and just popping up and Evenflow-ing people. It's what should have happened, and would have happened. Raven wasn't someone to be shouted at in the middle of the ring and apologize.

Great wrestler, great gimmick. Even at his worst moment weren't really bad, but at his best he is massively underrated. Would have loved him in WWF in the late 90s.
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Old 12-06-2012, 06:04 AM   #5 (permalink)
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In 2001, at best I could see Raven as an upper mid card talent. However, I felt if Raven had any chance of really being a main event guy in WWE, it would have been if he joined in 1997 instead of going to WCW. Also, his massive ovation in his WWE return was expected because it was Philly, eventhough I feel Raven was a pretty big performer regardless and could have gotten a positive reaction no matter the city.

As for 2000-2001, I would have liked to see a feud between Raven/Raven's Nest and The Hardy Boyz, with the angle being that Lita had joined up with Raven, who was the real face of "Xtreme". From that point on, he would try to basically ruin the life of Matt Hardy, with eventually Jeff turning on his brother and being brainwashed by Raven.

IMO, the Raven character was always good for mind games. Couldn't really see him further up the card or getting much of a major push due to his past with the company & Vince. So, maybe at best, feuding with Eddie over the IC Title but in order for Raven to really shine, there needed to be some form of manipulation and from looking at the state of the WWE in 2000-2001, I figure it would have been entertaining to see a Raven/Hardy Boyz feud.
That would've been an interesting angle.
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Old 12-06-2012, 06:35 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Default Re: Raven in the WWF: Missed Mega-Star?

they werent gonna give him the time of day to talk or even about anything he wanted and his size and lack of a cult was gonn amake him look unbeliveable

raven used a boring style for some reason whereas elsewhere he is usually unpredictable in his matches

the ddt was overused as it was, so yeah Vinces control doomed him before he got a chance
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Default Re: Raven in the WWF: Missed Mega-Star?

Didn't like Vince hate him because of how he supposedly was a bad influence on Shane?
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Old 12-06-2012, 09:36 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Default Re: Raven in the WWF: Missed Mega-Star?

I liked Raven but I don't think he was good enough in the ring to be a long term main eventer. Maybe his character could have carried him for a bit but you gotta be able to go in the ring to be a main eventer over a long period of time.
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Default Re: Raven in the WWF: Missed Mega-Star?

Raven was a huge missed opportunity but let's be honest, Raven could never work in WWE. First of all, he's a Heyman guy. Secondly, Vince never pushes guys he didn't "make". Third, Vince wouldn't know how to make Raven work. Its too different, too rooted in psychology and mind games. Triple H was doing the "cerebral assassin" gimmick and having Raven makes it two of the same kind of character and we know Vince aint bout that. Also consider how Raven looks, Vince never would have pushed someone so scruffy and dingy as Raven.
WCW missed the boat with him too, he could have been WCW's answer to Triple H but *shrugs* they insisted on doing nWo forever.
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I liked Raven but I don't think he was good enough in the ring to be a long term main eventer. Maybe his character could have carried him for a bit but you gotta be able to go in the ring to be a main eventer over a long period of time.
he picked his game up in tna so maybe something went werong in the wwe stage
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