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Old 12-06-2012, 12:46 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I'm a big fan of Raven and really wish he'd have gotten a chance in wwe. I didn't get to see much of his run in TNA but I did try to follow it and it seemed good.

WCW could have made him a star too if they weren't...WCW.
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Old 12-06-2012, 12:53 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Raven could've been a multi-time world champion, if they at least allowed him to come up with his own promos. His mic work is just sheer greatness, and his ringwork is pretty good. If he got the push that a man of his talent deserved, it would've been an amazingly entertaining period of time. At the same time though, there's one glaring problem: he was unreliable. His drug issues are the stuff of legend. While he may have cleaned up once he signed with Vince, you never know. Relapses happen at the drop of a dime. Plus Vince apparently hated him, since he got Shane into the partying scene.
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:26 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Raven could've been a multi-time world champion, if they at least allowed him to come up with his own promos. His mic work is just sheer greatness, and his ringwork is pretty good. If he got the push that a man of his talent deserved, it would've been an amazingly entertaining period of time. At the same time though, there's one glaring problem: he was unreliable. His drug issues are the stuff of legend. While he may have cleaned up once he signed with Vince, you never know. Relapses happen at the drop of a dime. Plus Vince apparently hated him, since he got Shane into the partying scene.
I think you hit the nail on the head here. Really I never liked Raven, I know I am in the minority. But even though I did not like the character all that much, I respected the heck out of him as a talent. There is a list of guys about 50 deep who were talented but never got what they could have because of they got in their own way. Not only did he have "issues." He tended to speak out backstage, he had Heyman's ear, but that did not translate outside of the ECW. From what I read and heard from that era he tended to rub a lot of guys the wrong way backstage with his inflated opinion of himself. Don't get me wrong I believe the guy really knew what he was doing and was perhaps justified with his inflated self worth, I just don't think it translated.

All that being said "Mega-Star", multiple time World Champ? I for one I glad that never transpired.

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Old 12-06-2012, 11:34 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Goddamn I'm a huge Raven fan and I'm pissed that I'm very sleepy and refuse to stay up any longer so I'm deciding to make this short

Yes Yes ad Yes Raven could've been a lot more than what he was in WWF. Least in WCW he was used fairly well
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:42 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Default Re: Raven in the WWF: Missed Mega-Star?

I think a lot of people are forgetting that when Raven signed the second time to WWE, he wasn't some rookie. He was near 40 and I just couldn't see WWE pushing him at the level of a Rock, Austin, HHH or Angle. And from what he says in his shoots, he never expected it. He just wanted to be able to control what little he was doing in the company, basically making something out of nothing.

Also, he tells a story about after signing with WWE in 2000 that a road agent told him during a meeting, Vince asked "Who the fuck signed Raven?".

I still believe that 1997 would have been his best chance to get a decent push in WWE. He was at his peak, was pretty over and along with Stevie, could have easily allowed for more talents to be used, including what would eventually become The Job Squad. Problem was, he had heat with Vince stemming from partying with Shane in the mid 90s and the fact that Raven quit WWE, which is something Vince doesn't take kindly. Not to mention, Raven was deep into the drug scene.

By the time he got cleaned, it was too late. At best, Raven could have been a mid card mainstay but I highly doubt that he would be anywhere near the main event scene. Not saying it couldn't have worked because I believe with the right booking, it would have but with the WWE system and Vince's way of running things, Raven would have never got to the level he deserved to be at because he quit once already, wasn't a Vince McMahon creation and always spoke his mind. He had three strikes against him already. But, ECW was beyond shitty at that point, he hated WCW and always wanted to go back to Vince just because Raven loved the business.
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:51 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I loved Raven but he had too many personal issues. It wouldn't have been smart for the WWE to get behind him becoming WWE Champion.
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Old 12-07-2012, 01:32 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Default Re: Raven in the WWF: Missed Mega-Star?

Like others have said, Raven had personal issues with Vince and also had issues with drugs and alcohol at times during his career. Those issues probably held him back a bit.

He had a ton to offer as a wrestling mind and character but WWE didn't want to use him to his fullest for whatever reason. They debuted him during the Lawler/Tazz feud. I think he could have been much more impactful if used in a different angle even though he got a huge pop when he attacked Lawler.
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Old 12-07-2012, 03:49 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Off Topic-Fun Fact for the day, my brother in law was roommates with, and became close with Shane McMahon in rehab. When my brother in law still lived in CT, Shane would go out to dinner with him often and give him tickets to shows, etc. as they bonded while sobering up. My brother in law is also a big dude, 6'2" 245 lbs. (about the build as Alex Riley) and when I was younger (12-13)I used to say, you should put a word in with Shane and get urself in the biz, but he said he wasn't interested.

On Topic, Raven is very underrated and deserves more shine
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Old 12-07-2012, 11:26 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Off Topic-Fun Fact for the day, my brother in law was roommates with, and became close with Shane McMahon in rehab. When my brother in law still lived in CT, Shane would go out to dinner with him often and give him tickets to shows, etc. as they bonded while sobering up. My brother in law is also a big dude, 6'2" 245 lbs. (about the build as Alex Riley) and when I was younger (12-13)I used to say, you should put a word in with Shane and get urself in the biz, but he said he wasn't interested.

On Topic, Raven is very underrated and deserves more shine
When was Shane in rehab? I've never heard of and can't find anything about this.
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The McMahons must have tried to cover it up.
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