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BRITLAND 12-03-2012 04:33 PM

Who was the 2nd Top Face? Macho Man or Ultimate Warrior
 
Though Hogan was the face of WWE back in the day, who was the 2nd face of the company?

The Macho Man or the Ultimate Warrior?

Headliner 12-03-2012 04:36 PM

Re: Who was th 2nd Top Fac? Macho Man or Ultimate Warrior
 
Macho Man until 1990. Then Macho again when Warrior left.

dave 1981 12-03-2012 05:38 PM

Re: Who was th 2nd Top Fac? Macho Man or Ultimate Warrior
 
Randy Savage was from mid 1987 through to early 1989 whilst The Ultimate Warrior was still being built up and then The Ultimate Warrior from early 1989 through to mid 1991 when he was fired at Summerslam for allegedly demanding money from Vince McMahon for a PPV pay off from a prior PPV earlier that year. When both men were babyfaces in 1992 i would say they were on complete equal footing and were both pushed as such as both men catered to different audiences and demographics with Randy Savage aimed more for the older and more traditional fan whilst The Ultimate Warrior was aimed more at children who were more into characters than ability.

Greenlawler 12-03-2012 05:59 PM

Re: Who was th 2nd Top Fac? Macho Man or Ultimate Warrior
 
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Originally Posted by BRITLAND (Post 12335038)
Though Hogan was the face of WWE back in the day, who was the 2nd face of the company?

The Macho Man or the Ultimate Warrior?

Year by year, based on card placement on house shows, PPV, and SNME of course some of it is off because some wrestlers appeared or changed to face late in the year.

1984 2. Sgt Slaughter 3. Andre 4. Superfly
1985 2. Andre 3. Junkyard Dog 4. Ricky Steamboat
1986 2. Junk Yard Dog 3. Ricky Steamboat 4. Roddy Piper
1987 2. Ricky Steamboat 3. Randy Savage 4. Jake Roberts
1988 2. Randy Savage 3. Hacksaw Duggan 4. Ultimate Warrior
1989 2. Ultimate Warrior 3. Randy Savage 4. Brutus Beefcake
1990 2. Ultimate Warrior 3. Kerry Von Erich 4. Hacksaw Duggan
1991 2. Ultimate Warrior 3. Big Bossman 4. Randy Savage
1992 2. Randy Savage 3. Brett Hart 4. Davey Boy Smith

xoxoPAiGEaNGELxoxo 12-03-2012 06:14 PM

Re: Who was th 2nd Top Fac? Macho Man or Ultimate Warrior
 
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Originally Posted by Greenlawler (Post 12335352)
Year by year, based on card placement on house shows, PPV, and SNME of course some of it is off because some wrestlers appeared or changed to face late in the year.

1984 2. Sgt Slaughter 3. Andre 4. Superfly
1985 2. Andre 3. Junkyard Dog 4. Ricky Steamboat
1986 2. Junk Yard Dog 3. Ricky Steamboat 4. Roddy Piper
1987 2. Ricky Steamboat 3. Randy Savage 4. Jake Roberts
1988 2. Randy Savage 3. Hacksaw Duggan 4. Ultimate Warrior
1989 2. Ultimate Warrior 3. Randy Savage 4. Brutus Beefcake
1990 2. Ultimate Warrior 3. Kerry Von Erich 4. Hacksaw Duggan
1991 2. Ultimate Warrior 3. Big Bossman 4. Randy Savage
1992 2. Randy Savage 3. Brett Hart 4. Davey Boy Smith

I figured Tito Santana would be somewhere in the mix between 1984 and 1986.

Greenlawler 12-03-2012 10:34 PM

Re: Who was th 2nd Top Fac? Macho Man or Ultimate Warrior
 
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Originally Posted by Deandre Cole (Post 12335412)
I figured Tito Santana would be somewhere in the mix between 1984 and 1986.

Probably 5th in 84 and 85 but by mid 86 he was plummeting down the pecking order. 84 and 85 were the two best years of his career.

He was very popular to be sure, and in that two year run he was a top level face. That being said I think there could be a case made for Tito being the number two face for a very brif period of time in late 84. Slaughter left during that year and there was this perception that the WWF created before Andre's heel turn that he would not pursue the WWF title, which may have caused some to speculate that he was not really a top face (although he was). I hope that makes sense. On top of that Superfly kind of dropped down the card a little in spite of his Piper fued. JYD and Steamboat had not arrived yet. So you could say Tito was only behind Hogan for a breif period of time in late 84.

84 is just a really interesting year to me. I think it was one of the greatest years in the history of the sport, that would make a good thread one day. In the WWF obviously Hogan and Slaughter were one and two. They split them up to pack two buildings out a night. Then they had Andre and Superfly. Before Hogan came in Superfly was probably their most over face in 83 even more so than Backlund. Putski was probably 6th behid Tito, and they had coaxed Bruno out of retirement luring a push for his son David. They also hasd an aging Strongbow, and the newley face Samoans. However they had so many heels in 84 like Dr D David Shultz, Adonis, Murdoch, Ventura, Spoiler, Masked Superstar, Muraco, Valentine, Iron Sheik, Orton, Patera, Studd. They had also just brought in a very young Brett Hart and Brutus Beefcake. They really needed more faces and tried to use some guys to stimulate their house shows especially down south. They brought in Tonga Kid, Black Jack Mulligan, Mr Wrestling 2 (briefly), The Feebirds (just as breifly), Billy Jack Haynes (at the end of 84), the Brisco's and others. Not sure when Rotundo, and Whindham, or The Bulldogs arrived but it was sometime that year. However they really had few top level singles faces that stuck to put against a huge number of heels.

It was different back then obviously and the IC title which Tito was fighting for and held was not at it's peak yet. Macho, and Steamboat really propped up that title. So in spite of Tito holding the number 2 title he was not really in the world title picture (of course with Hogan having it we all knew no one really was except him). But the perception was that Slaughter, Andre, and Superfly were in a different class of contenders than Tito and Putski or any of the other faces at the time.

By 1986 they had stocked up on some faces, and Tito was behind a longer list of guys. By the time August of 87 rolled around they moved him back to the tag team division.

This is not to disrespect Tito, he was certainly over and a top face. Just trying to explain.

Austin & DX 12-04-2012 04:32 AM

Re: Who was th 2nd Top Fac? Macho Man or Ultimate Warrior
 
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Originally Posted by Greenlawler (Post 12335352)
1991 2. Ultimate Warrior 3. Big Bossman 4. Randy Savage

Bit surprised BossMan over Macho Man but Macho is 2nd top face in WWF behind Hogan til Warrior.

dddsssccc 12-04-2012 05:06 AM

Re: Who was th 2nd Top Fac? Macho Man or Ultimate Warrior
 
Macho in the late 80's. It was very close in the early 90's with Warrior probably having a slight edge but that didn't last long since Warrior had issues with WWE and left.

Lesnar Turtle 12-04-2012 07:26 AM

Re: Who was th 2nd Top Fac? Macho Man or Ultimate Warrior
 
For a while Warrior was red hot and close to Hogans level of popularity.

Greenlawler 12-04-2012 07:34 AM

Re: Who was th 2nd Top Fac? Macho Man or Ultimate Warrior
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Austin & DX (Post 12339117)
Bit surprised BossMan over Macho Man but Macho is 2nd top face in WWF behind Hogan til Warrior.

Because Savage was heel much of that year


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