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Old 12-02-2012, 10:38 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Other elements could come into play as well. Their impact on the business as a whole or the memories and impressions left in the hearts and minds of the fans who remember or care.
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Other elements could come into play as well. Their impact on the business as a whole or the memories and impressions left in the hearts and minds of the fans who remember or care.
Yep....I agree 100%.

777, have I told you that Von Raschke and Kabuki are two of my top 20? I love your pics.
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Idealstranger has done a great job with forgotten legends. But who are some legends, for whatever reason, that have somehow been totally overlooked. They might get occasional mentions on someone's list or spotted on a you tube clip, but do not get the love they should.

I was thinking about this yesterday as I was remembering some of the great fueds of my home area and I thought of the legendary Jackie Fargo. Unless someone grew up down here or is looking up Lawler, that guy has truly gone off the radar.

Who are some guys like this, that younger fans might be interested in doing some research on? Guys so off the radar that even Starnger probably won't get around to covering? Of course their are a boatload of guys like this from the 40's, and 50's. Feel free to mention anyone from any time period.

Here are some I thought of....Stranger excuse me if you have covered, or plan to cover some of these guys, just feeling really nostalgic tonight...

Sputnik Monroe: Great southern territory worker who helped usher in racial equality in the turbulent south.
Barron Mikel Scicluna: While a jobber in the WWF for a while, still had a very colorful and meaningful career
Tojo Yammamoto: Probably one of the greatest "foreign heel" characters of an era.
Sweet Daddy Siki: A touring African American star who wrestled just about everyone, but often under the radar.
Phil Hickerson: Probably best (for better or worse) known as PY Chu Hi in the World Class area, but a steady star in the 70's and 80's who helped develop alot of guys and was part of a great tag team with a young Dennis Condrey.
Billy Jack Haynes: It seems crazy that I am even typing his name here the guy was so over in the 80's in Portland and during a WWF run.

Just a few.....
I am not sure if most of these guys would classify as legends.Sure they gave us many great moments but legends?I am not really sure.

Bill Jack Haynes wrestled at the greatest PPV of all time(IMO)
Scicluna was a WWE hall of Famer long time back
Tojo-Haven't seen him live but I have read he was the dirtiest player ever


Ed 'The Strangler' Lewis-I have always been fascinated by him.My great-grandfather believed if he could have booked Ed in atleast a few matches,he would have made it big.Too bad,our family left the business but the interest in pro-wrestling runs in our veins.

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Old 12-02-2012, 10:56 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Other elements could come into play as well. Their impact on the business as a whole or the memories and impressions left in the hearts and minds of the fans who remember or care.
Austin Idol was one of my favourites.I always felt Las Vegas Leglock was a pretty sensational name for a finisher.It's too bad he never wrestled a lot in MSG.Regardless of what the younger fans say,Austin Idol is a Legend to me
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I am not sure if most of these guys would classify as legends.Sure they gave us many great moments but legends?I am not really sure.

Bill Jack Haynes wrestled at the greatest PPV of all time(IMO)
Scicluna was a WWE hall of Famer long time back
Tojo-Haven't seen him live but I have read he was the dirtiest player ever
Each and every one of these guys had a major impact on the biz. Heck I can go on and on about every one of these guys. What really baffles me is this...if you don't know much about these guys how the heck do you know if they are a legend or not? I do and I grew up watching them, every one of them is a legend. Case closed. Why are we so snobby about the term? It's a freakin figure of speech.
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Austin Idol was one of my favourites.I always felt Las Vegas Leglock was a pretty sensational name for a finisher.It's too bad he never wrestled a lot in MSG.Regardless of what the younger fans say,Austin Idol is a Legend to me
And all five of the guys I listed had longer, more successful careers than Austin. With the possible exception of the Barron.

Love me some Austin Idol but he was never...ever....ever in the class of Sputnik Monroe, Tojo, Billy Jack, or Phil.
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Yep....I agree 100%.

777, have I told you that Von Raschke and Kabuki are two of my top 20? I love your pics.
Two more guys bordering into forgotten legend territory and two wonderful examples of character overcoming in-ring weaknesses to deliver compelling matches/television. In fairness the work rate wasn't nearly as intense back then. Raschke brought a methodical toughness and Kabuki could always be counted on for an occasional bloodbath.

I also nominate Gary Hart. One of my favs and I always forget to put him into my favorite manager lists.
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And all five of the guys I listed had longer, more successful careers than Austin. With the possible exception of the Barron.

Love me some Austin Idol but he was never...ever....ever in the class of Sputnik Monroe, Tojo, Billy Jack, or Phil.
Idol was a huge hero to me.Sputnik was before my time and I haven't seen him wrestle or read much about him,so I can't comment on him.I would agree with Tojo or Phil but Billy Jack,Siki are not legends to me.

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Idol was a huge hero to me.Sputnik was before my time and I haven't seen him wrestle or read much about him,so I can't comment on him.I would agree with Tojo or Phil but Billy Jack,Siki are not legends to me.
That's odd because Sweet Daddy Sikki probably has the best resume. Billy Jack we can debate on but his career in the Pacifc Northwest is undeniable but you said "these guys"....even if you agreed on three of the five I don't understand your first post. Not trying to start a post back and forth here.
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Comparing wrestling and other sports "legends" is stupid, because Kayfabe accomplishments don't really mean a whole lot, as it's scripted. Guys can be midcarders or men who never held titles and still be infinitely more valuable or legendary than a guy with a crappy title reign.
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