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Re: Who are some legends that have been beyond forgotten?

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But who say every guy who competed in the 60s and 70s is a legend?

The fact that you only became familiar with Flair in 01-02 leads me to believe you know nothing about wrestling before 1998. And it has nothing to do with age. I don't know, I figure the internet, Youtube and torrents is the perfect way to find out about a particular wrestler and what he was like. And by 2001, Flair had become a mockery of what he originally was. He pissed on his legacy because he needed the money.

The fact is, and you did this in the Peter Maivia thread, your knowledge of certain guys is limited to whatever WWE says. Nobody is saying every guy in the 60s or 70s is a legend but I'd bet my left nut that you know nothing about the guys me, 777 or the OP are even naming. Because if you did, you would realize that they were not mid card talents, but accomplished wrestlers back in a time where professional wrestling wasn't limited to 3 companies. We're talking guys from the territorial days and unless you experienced it, you can't say whether they are legends or not just because you've heard of them. Not to mention, many of them passed away before you even know what wrestling was.
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You just proved my point. You have no clue who some of these guys are? I can assure you as someone who actually watched Hickerson he is a legend and wrestled more main events than 90% of guys in the history of the business .

No offense but this is the kind of attitude that drives longtime fans insane.
Hickerson is the only guy you named who I am not familiar with. I think a legend is somebody that all or most fans know. Think of baseball. Babe Ruth is a legend. Ed Taubensee probably isn't. A great player for sure but a legend he is not. Sure, most of the guys mentioned in this thread were good or maybe even great but legendary? I think to be a legend, you must be well known among most fans of the sport in question.


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Sure, most of the guys mentioned in this thread were good or maybe even great but legendary? I think to be a legend, you must be well known among most fans of the sport in question.
This is a very good point.Some of the oldies in this forum feel everyone they watched as a child is a legend.Thirty years from now,some idiots will call people like Road Dogg as a legend when he is just 'another guy.'
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No offense but this is the kind of attitude that drives longtime fans insane.
Which is exactly why there should be some sort of test to determine who can post in this section. It pisses me off when newly registered 16-year-olds come in here to run their mouths. I honestly don't know how more people on these forums don't get banned.

Especially dumb shit mo-mo's from the GOAT thread.

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What does that have to do with this conversation?

50 years from now, I won't remember Leo Messi for shit because I don't know who the hell he is.
You don't know who Lionel Messi is?

Anyways, Gene Kiniski, the Fabulous Freebirds, The Rock n Roll Express, Jackie Fargo, etc.

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This is a very good point.Some of the oldies in this forum feel everyone they watched as a child is a legend.Thirty years from now,some idiots will call people like Road Dogg as a legend when he is just 'another guy.'
Seriously dude, you don't have to agree. So just piss-off and post somewhere else.


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Re: Who are some legends that have been beyond forgotten?

1980s-Tito Santana
2000s-Kofi Kingston
.......Words cannot describe how hard that hit me.

People may call Road Dogg a legend in thirty years time as he was one half of a generation defining tag team which to be fair is pretty impressive.

Can't mention any stars from before the 80's as I've never paid much attention to that era bar the obvious pop culture osmosis of Sammartino, Thesz,Buddy Rogers Etc. But from the 1980's I'd like to mention Don Muraco, Magnum T.A. Nikita Koloff, Mr Wonderful Paul Orndorff and Stan Hansen(Not in Japan though). All pretty big names who now are little more than afterthoughts because they don't get rolled out for "Legends Battle Royale" and the like. I often wonder had T.A. not been in the car crash would Sting have made it?
Tag teams that get very little love are the Midnight Express (Condrey&Eaton/Lane&Eaton), The Rock&Roll Express(DAT HOT TAG!) and The Freebirds(considering "P.S." Hayes is so in with the McMahons this is frightening). It's a shame tag team wrestling has gotten so bad recently as these guys were draws in their day.

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1980s-Tito Santana
2000s-Kofi Kingston
.......Words cannot describe how hard that hit me.

People may call Road Dogg a legend in thirty years time as he was one half of a generation defining tag team which to be fair is pretty impressive.

Can't mention any stars from before the 80's as I've never paid much attention to that era bar the obvious pop culture osmosis of Sammartino, Thesz,Buddy Rogers Etc. But from the 1980's I'd like to mention Don Muraco, Magnum T.A. Nikita Koloff, Mr Wonderful Paul Orndorff and Stan Hansen(Not in Japan though). All pretty big names who now are little more than afterthoughts because they don't get rolled out for "Legends Battle Royale" and the like. I often wonder had T.A. not been in the car crash would Sting have made it?
Tag teams that get very little love are the Midnight Express (Condrey&Eaton/Lane&Eaton), The Rock&Roll Express(DAT HOT TAG!) and The Freebirds(considering "P.S." Hayes is so in with the McMahons this is frightening). It's a shame tag team wrestling has gotten so bad recently as these guys were draws in their day.

Im really tired so I might have misread your post but did you call Kofi a legend?
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Hickerson is the only guy you named who I am not familiar with. I think a legend is somebody that all or most fans know. Think of baseball. Babe Ruth is a legend. Ed Taubensee probably isn't. A great player for sure but a legend he is not. Sure, most of the guys mentioned in this thread were good or maybe even great but legendary? I think to be a legend, you must be well known among most fans of the sport in question.
Septurum, if you want to go with a baseball analogy that actually makes sense I can do that too. You seem like a very good poster and I am not trying to insult you. Legends are defined by the people and the fact is each and every one of those guys especially Phil Hickerson is considered a legend in comparison to other guys, especially when looking at the longterm history of this sport. Look, how many ball players make it to the major leagues? How many wreslters made it to main events? Phil Hickerson, Sputnik Monroe, Tojo, Billy Jack Haynes sure they are not Babe Ruth, or Stan Musial...but they are Craig Nettles, and Dale Murphey , Gorman Thomas, and Cecil Cooper who although are not Hall of Famers are most certainly considered legends by their fanbases.....not Ed Taubensee (which was a bad comparrison).

I think the problem here between us is that you think of legend as a super-duper star... I think of a legend as a guy who paid his dues, achieved longterm success and is respected in the biz by his peers.

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