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Old 12-01-2012, 09:19 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The Natural Dustin Rhodes, Ted Dibiase, The Ringmaster, Isaac Yankem, Cowboy Bret Hart, Oz/Vinne Vegas/Steele, Punisher/Master of Pain/Mean Mark Callous are some of the characters that did not find as much success and fame as Goldust, Million Dollar Man, Stone Cold Steve Austin, Kane, Bret "The Hitman" Hart, Diesel/Kevin Nash, Undertaker in spite of being performed by the same person prominently among may other similar cases.

How much importance do you think the gimmick has in showcasing the talent when it comes to a success of a wrestler and any particular case of a talented wrestler who was stuck with a wrong gimmick but found immense success with change in gimmick in the past?
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Old 12-01-2012, 09:25 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Gimmick has great importance. You can have a really talented guy, and usually you have to run with what you're given to the fullest but it might not be what you're destined for. A guy needs to find what works for him best to be able to bring out the absolute best in him. I can't really recall any good examples right now but I'll edit this later with some
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Don't have that gimmick to be flat. And a character is not like a gimmick.
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Gimmicks have tremendous importance, one I can think of straight away is Brutus 'The Barber' Beefcake. Before he was a lousy heel, with no real importance and was pretty dispensable. However, when he became 'The Barber' it gave him a character that would last for years, too bad WCW took that away and made him crap again.

People too often seem to judge people on beginning characters, you have to evolve as a character and find your niche. I don't think anyone ever though Rocky Maivia would become one of the greatest wrestlers of all time, but he changed his gimmick and became a great wrestler.

On the flip side, you have great gimmicks like 'The American Dream' Dusty Rhodes the huge draw from NWA and JCP and turn him into a comedy character who dances. Sure it got over, but Vince put that gimmick on Dusty out of spite instead of using his best business mind.
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Well, you can give anybody a great gimmick but doesn't mean they can make it work. It's more about the talent and strengths of that person playing the character.

IMO, gimmicks should somewhat be based on real life personas. Seems to be the only way they work. But, taking it too far will do irreversible damage to the talent. Pig farmers, plumbers, dentists and garbage men never had a chance of truly succeeding. A gimmick I recall that had to start out as a joke but ultimately worked was the Dudley Boyz and it worked when it became less of a gimmick and them portraying their real life personalities.
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Well obviously a good gimmick can launch a career, if the talent can work it, just like TheAverageGuy said.

However a bad gimmick can sink a guy or at least set him back, no matter how hard he tries.

We have recently been talking about Mero, and he is case and point. He really tried to make Johnny B Badd work but it was horrible, and it cast a shadow on him. It was almost a bad thing that he tried so hard. Of course some guys can rise above a bad gimmick like many guys over the years, but not when a guy gets type cast.

It is very similar to sitcom actors who can no longer re-invent themselves. Some actors are able to rise above it but some are so horribly linked it is impossible.

We can all sit here and find guys who this applies to, and we can also find exceptions. But the bottom line is a gimmick has the power to make or break you. As far as how important it is, I think it largely depends on the individuals ability as some pointed out and the time frame.

Gimmicks or lack there of are especially important in today's world. Many young guys only get one shot with the WWE. If they get a bad gimmick alot of them are gone, because there are so many other young lions out there ready to take that roster spot.

Over the last decade there have been some talented guys let go before they are really given much of a shot, becuse they were saddled with a bad gimmick.
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Biggest example of what you said regarding a bad gimmick setting a wrestler back has to be The Red Rooster.

I feel that Mero made Johnny B Badd work as best he could and IMO, went on to better things with "Wildman" Marc Mero. But The Red Rooster did irreversible damage to Terry Taylor and Terrence Taylor of the York Foundation would have been okay for his career, had WWE not damaged him. He was never the same.

Red Rooster is an example of regardless of talent, a gimmick that you just can't make work.
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Biggest example of what you said regarding a bad gimmick setting a wrestler back has to be The Red Rooster.

I feel that Mero made Johnny B Badd work as best he could and IMO, went on to better things with "Wildman" Marc Mero. But The Red Rooster did irreversible damage to Terry Taylor and Terrence Taylor of the York Foundation would have been okay for his career, had WWE not damaged him. He was never the same.

Red Rooster is an example of regardless of talent, a gimmick that you just can't make work.
Yes perfect example. Terry Taylor had a bright future it seemed, the gimmick not only killed that future but erased a very good past career he had before he was the Rooster. No one hardly remembers he was an upper mid card title contender in the NWA before the horrible gimmick, and a former PWI rookie of the year.

I cannot think of any examples of other guys that this happened to that level. I think Virgil (although not a horrible gimmick) was pretty much type cast after his lackey run. Danny Davis was toast after his evil ref run. And there were several guys given comedy gimmicks (even if the gimmick worked) who were never taken seriously again like the awesome Sheepherders. Makes me long for the days of masked wrestlers again. In those days a guy could slip on the hood and be something completely different.
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Gimmicks are a pretty big deal and can help make or break a wrestler. The Terry Taylor example was a good case. The gimmick should also match the character, looks mean a lot and the whole Hacksaw Jim Duggan thing for instance may not have worked well if it was some cut up young pretty boy. Nor would some bruiser guy that looks like X-Pac. It has to make sense somehow.
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I think gimmicks are only important if they work. There have been plenty of horrifyingly bad gimmicks in the past that don't need mentioning.
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