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Old 11-17-2012, 08:47 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Well, we weren't.


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Old 11-17-2012, 08:48 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Old 11-17-2012, 11:44 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I never said Shawn wasn't fucking her. I said the problems between him and Bret stemmed from him accusing Bret of fucking her but in reality, Bulldog was fucking her.

She says this in her latest shoot with Feinstein and the Youshoot. She talks about hanging out in the Hart family house, knowing the family handshake & everything and Vince knowing about her relationship with Shawn, as they often used his lockerroom. She talks about being with HBK in the hotel 1 night in a room that was next to the room her & Chris shared.

But yeah, she said the beef between Bret & Shawn was over her because Shawn thought Bret was fucking her but Bulldog was. And if any form of timing makes sense, this all occurred while she was still in a relationship with Chris.
Haha, all of the Candido stuff is just laughably embarrassing. The guy seemed like such a fucking moron.
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Old 11-17-2012, 11:58 PM   #34 (permalink)
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It's a shame though, as his concern over her and not wanting to believe she was sleeping around is what fucked up his wrestling career. I remember somebody telling the story (maybe Syxx or Nash) about how when they would go on the road, Tammy would ride with Shawn. Chris would ride with other members of the Kliq and would ask one of them if Shawn was messing with Tammy. They would tell him no and he believed it.

Hell, I remember in ECW in a promo making a remark to Candido about it. So, it's not like he didn't know that Tammy was cheating, I just think that at the time, both were so young and so far gone on drugs that neither cared enough about the truth, which is why Tammy never admitted to it until after Candido died.
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:12 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Even though the Boyhood Dream is a classic, I always felt Shawn should've won the WWF Championship at WM 11. Its only poetic he became world champion by having to defeat his former best friend.

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Old 11-19-2012, 03:16 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Nash career is a joke and HBK literally made that fool. Even Nash himself said he only won the title bc he was clean and big.Im sure HBK was secretly happy Nash was leaving bc it left a lot of room for him on top, besides MAYBE he wouldnt have even won the title if Nash wasnt leaving.
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Old 11-21-2012, 03:57 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Shawn Michaels was being built up as the top star and face of the company as far back as the night after WrestleMania 11 as Vince McMahon wanted to put the WWE title on him back in 1995 but wanted it to be as a babyface which is why they turned Shawn Michaels as soon as WrestleMania 11 was over. WWE wanted Shawn Michaels as a babyface so badly they didn't care that it would have meant their FIVE biggest stars in Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, The Undertaker, Razor Ramon and Diesel were all going to be babyfaces as a result which is why we saw a lot of babyface vs babyface feuds and matches that year.

The problem lay within Shawn Michaels never being a singles babyface before so WWE spent a whole year building towards his WWE title win and rise to being the top star in the company. I've seen virtually every single shoot interview Kevin Nash and Scott Hall have ever done and in one of them Kevin Nash said he was annoyed about Shawn Michaels WrestleMania 11 pay off which shows how highly even back then Shawn Michaels was thought of as he was earning nearly double what the WWE champion was.

Nothing with Scott Hall, Kevin Nash and WCW had even been spoken about until around February time and that was only a brief conversation with Scott Hall who wanted more money and was a bit frustrated in how he was being used. By that time though the plans for Shawn Michaels as WWE champion had been in place for around 8 or 9 months and by late 1995 were absolutely set in stone and only injury was going to curtail it. I think a lot of people forget that Shawn Michaels was the one pushing hard backstage for an edgier product and was instrumental in the flashes we saw during 1996, he was the one Vince McMahon wanted to build things around as far back as 1995 until Stone Cold Steve Austin really broke through full time in mid 1997.
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Old 11-21-2012, 04:08 PM   #38 (permalink)
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WWE wanted Shawn Michaels as a babyface so badly they didn't care that it would have meant their FIVE biggest stars in Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, The Undertaker, Razor Ramon and Diesel were all going to be babyfaces as a result which is why we saw a lot of babyface vs babyface feuds and matches that year.
You forgot Bulldog and Luger.

That was one of the bigger problems in 95. Like you said, so many topfaces but almost no credible heels. That's why we had to endure Mabels push.
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:57 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Also of note, WWE's potentially biggest heel of 1995, Bam Bam Bigelow, was also turned face not too long after WM 11. IIRC, he said in a shoot that it was the Kliq's idea.

Even in 1996, they never had a clear cut credible top heel besides Vader, who HBK completely buried. Even Sid was getting a mixed reaction from the crowd, as well as Stone Cold, because they displayed more of an attitude. And the result of all this was the shitty IYH PPV's from April to July, as well as the failed Ultimate Warrior run. I feel Brian Pillman could have been the perfect heel opponent for HBK in 1996 but the ankle injury put a stop to that.

Everything worked in HBK's favor after Nash & Hall left. He was defending the belt in second rate feuds and would bury anybody who was a threat to him. The only reason he ever dropped the belt to Sid was to get his hometown crowd behind him and garner a sell out for Royal Rumble 1997. But even that didn't go as planned. Once everything started picking up, he loses his smile again.
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Old 11-22-2012, 04:37 PM   #40 (permalink)
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Also of note, WWE's potentially biggest heel of 1995, Bam Bam Bigelow, was also turned face not too long after WM 11. IIRC, he said in a shoot that it was the Kliq's idea.

Even in 1996, they never had a clear cut credible top heel besides Vader, who HBK completely buried. Even Sid was getting a mixed reaction from the crowd, as well as Stone Cold, because they displayed more of an attitude. And the result of all this was the shitty IYH PPV's from April to July, as well as the failed Ultimate Warrior run. I feel Brian Pillman could have been the perfect heel opponent for HBK in 1996 but the ankle injury put a stop to that.

Everything worked in HBK's favor after Nash & Hall left. He was defending the belt in second rate feuds and would bury anybody who was a threat to him. The only reason he ever dropped the belt to Sid was to get his hometown crowd behind him and garner a sell out for Royal Rumble 1997. But even that didn't go as planned. Once everything started picking up, he loses his smile again.
Shawn Michaels was well on his way to being top guy when both Scott Hall and Kevin Nash were carrying the two singles titles and neither of them had even spoke to WCW when Shawn Michaels was winning The Royal Rumble and was planned to become top guy at WrestleMania 12. The fact that they left only hindered Shawn Michaels reign as it left him without any credible challengers as Bret Hart had gone on hiatus, The Undertaker was feuding with Mankind, Stone Cold Steve Austin wasn't ready and Vader was still being built up.

As for Shawn Michaels only winning the WWE title back at The Royal Rumble just to get the hometown crowd behind him WWE arrange their PPV venues a long time in advance so would have most likely had the venue set a year beforehand and it wasn't until late 1996 some fans turned on Shawn Michaels and that was why WWE began pushing him as an edgier babyface. Look at any promos from Shawn Michaels from when he lost the WWE title through til he turned heel later on in that year and he had the whole "i don't care if you like me or not" attitude who stated he wasn't a role model and was being pushed as the catalyst of the edgy top babyface until Stone Cold Steve Austin smashed through.
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