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post #21 of 43 (permalink) Old 11-17-2012, 02:34 AM
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Re: Shawn Michaels and Diesel

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Wait. Hold up. What?

Where did you get that from?

From what I've read, Shawn was in a relationship with Tammy for like 8 months
I never said Shawn wasn't fucking her. I said the problems between him and Bret stemmed from him accusing Bret of fucking her but in reality, Bulldog was fucking her.

She says this in her latest shoot with Feinstein and the Youshoot. She talks about hanging out in the Hart family house, knowing the family handshake & everything and Vince knowing about her relationship with Shawn, as they often used his lockerroom. She talks about being with HBK in the hotel 1 night in a room that was next to the room her & Chris shared.

But yeah, she said the beef between Bret & Shawn was over her because Shawn thought Bret was fucking her but Bulldog was. And if any form of timing makes sense, this all occurred while she was still in a relationship with Chris.
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post #22 of 43 (permalink) Old 11-17-2012, 09:45 AM
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Re: Shawn Michaels and Diesel

Um, re-read my post. It's not even what Shawn said first. Bret said it first. You know, the guy who was his enemy back then. Bret said it, and Shawn said he was arrogant enough back then to say it. But Bret brought it up and said it first.

And according to Bret, their problems stemmed from Shawn not having the right mindset to be champion (only working with his friends and keeping the main event money in the clique) and not respecting Bret enough and refusing to put him over. The Sunny stuff was just icing on the cake.


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Um, re-read my post. It's not even what Shawn said first. Bret said it first. You know, the guy who was his enemy back then. Bret said it, and Shawn said he was arrogant enough back then to say it. But Bret brought it up and said it first.

And according to Bret, their problems stemmed from Shawn not having the right mindset to be champion (only working with his friends and keeping the main event money in the clique) and not respecting Bret enough and refusing to put him over. The Sunny stuff was just icing on the cake.
The point is, you act like because one of them says something, you act as if I can't have an opinion to the contrary. Thats what this whole debate is, you not agreeing with my opinion and constantly bringing up what I already knew. Yet, when I bring up what somebody said, it's wrong because Bret or Shawn said something different. They've been saying something different for nearly 15 years now.

So, if you logic is that I can't have my own opinion on this matter, just quit replying now because no amount of quotes from shoots I've likely seen or heard, are going to make me change my opinion. And my opinion is that HBK benefited from Hall, Nash & Kid leaving and that the heat between HBK & Bret was mainly due to Tammy.

If you disagree, fine but at least debate my opinion with your own opinion. I've read enough articles and watched enough shoots, I know the story these guys told and if I still have this same opinion, do you really think you repeating what Bret or Shawn said is going to make me say "I take my opinion back"? No it won't.


Again, this is all my opinion. All my opinion, I don't give a damn who said what, this is opinion based. Jesus Christ, I should know not to argue with somebody over a particular wrestler they have in their sig.
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Re: Shawn Michaels and Diesel

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The point is, you act like because one of them says something, you act as if I can't have an opinion to the contrary. Thats what this whole debate is, you not agreeing with my opinion and constantly bringing up what I already knew. Yet, when I bring up what somebody said, it's wrong because Bret or Shawn said something different. They've been saying something different for nearly 15 years now.

So, if you logic is that I can't have my own opinion on this matter, just quit replying now because no amount of quotes from shoots I've likely seen or heard, are going to make me change my opinion. And my opinion is that HBK benefited from Hall, Nash & Kid leaving and that the heat between HBK & Bret was mainly due to Tammy.

If you disagree, fine but at least debate my opinion with your own opinion. I've read enough articles and watched enough shoots, I know the story these guys told and if I still have this same opinion, do you really think you repeating what Bret or Shawn said is going to make me say "I take my opinion back"? No it won't.


Again, this is all my opinion. All my opinion, I don't give a damn who said what, this is opinion based. Jesus Christ, I should know not to argue with somebody over a particular wrestler they have in their sig.

Dude, go back when we first started to interact. You started it by criticizing my first post on this thread, which wasn't even in response to you, and you started to go at it with me for no reason.

If that's your opinion, that's perfectly fine. I don't begrudge anyone their opinion. And FWIW, we agree that Hall and Nash leaving helped HBK (just like it would help any main eventer in the company at that point because there was obviously now 2 open spots). The only part where we disagree is that HBK wanted Nash and Hall to leave. That is literally it. It really isn't a big deal at all.

And believe me, just because I like HBK doesn't mean I can't see his faults. He had a ton back then.


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Re: Shawn Michaels and Diesel

My problem came when you entered the thread and basically said what I just said, that money was a factor in Diesel leaving. True enough, I didn't say the work schedule but it had nothing to do with my original argument.

Then, you keep going with why HBK didn't want them to leave, eventhough in each post on the subject, I clearly said "in my opinion". So, you keep coming with quote of what Shawn, Nash or Bret said in a DVD, as if I didn't already know and it would change my opinion.

And you knew we would disagree, so was there really a requirement to keep going in circles about what Shawn said, when it's obvious that my opinion would not change regardless of what Shawn said?
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Re: Shawn Michaels and Diesel

I see. As far as the money factor goes, like I said before, my post wasn't in response to yours or anyone else's. It was just a post that had more than just the money factor in it (like you said, the working schedule). I had no idea anyone would even respond to my first post on this thread. It was just my opinion on the subject matter, that's all. And in the very same post, you said that I "didn't add anything new to the discussion" but you then went on to acknowledge, that I did in fact add something new to the discussion, that being the work schedule. So, you rep'd me for not adding to the discussion, even though you then mentioned that I did, in fact, add something to the discussion that hadn't been brought up before.

As far as the going on in circles about Shawn wanting Hall and Nash to leave or not, I thought it was just a discussion. You rep'd me right away before we even went into the HBK wanting Hall and Nash to leave circle when I hadn't even done anything and in fact did mention something new. That struck me as odd as we went forward with the discussion. From there, we were having a discussion about a topic in which we had two different opinions and all I did was mention some of the interviews in which clique members (including Nash himself) had spoken in. It was just a discussion to me and nothing else. I didn't think it was much of a big deal or anything.


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Re: Shawn Michaels and Diesel

Damn, red rep means a lot, ha?


It's not a big deal, I simply said in every post I made on the matter, everything was in my opinion. If your only argument to that is bringing up what various guys said, it's a fail on your part because none of those interviews have any effect on my opinion.
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Re: Shawn Michaels and Diesel

No, it means very little to me. This is a message board to me, nothing else. I was just surprised that you did it so quick and when I had mentioned something new. But whatever.

And we're all entitled to our opinions obviously, but I thought at that point we were actually having a discussion on whether or not it was true. I wasn't trying to get you to change your mind.


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Re: Shawn Michaels and Diesel

It was never a question of whether it was true or not. It was simply my opinion on the matter. What is wrong with that? It's obvious a lot to you because my opinion further cements HBK as an asshole who's all about himself, which we already know.


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Re: Shawn Michaels and Diesel

Nothing wrong with it at all. I wholeheartedly agree he was a huge asshole. I thought we were just conversing about it back and forth. That's all.


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