Analyze This: Blading & Bleeding - Wrestling Forum : WWE, TNA, Debate League, Wrestling Videos, Women of Wrestling Forums
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old 11-13-2012, 12:40 PM Thread Starter
Acknowledged by SCOTT STEINER
 
theidealstranger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,479
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
           
Analyze This: Blading & Bleeding

Rumor has it that, Abdullah the Butcher's head had scar lines due to extreme case of blading during matches. Much before blading came, wrestlers who wanted blood in their match simply attacked the brow of the opponent legitimately opening them up and letting them bleed, a lost art when the easy way of blading came. Great Muta set the standard for blading with the Muta scale. Ric Flair and Hitman are known to be skilled bladers who did it cleverly.

When did this need or trend of having to have blood visible in a pro-wrestling match start and what was the bloodiest match that involved blood, blading or otherwise that you were a witness to? How does it add value to a match?

Spoiler for Give the guy a break:
theidealstranger is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 12 (permalink) Old 11-13-2012, 01:34 PM
Wheel Man for SCOTT STEINER
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 3,141
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
                     
Re: Analyze This: Blading & Bleeding

Used properly, I think it can elevate a certain type of match by introducing a touch of risk and reality. Every trick has a time and place, blading included, but when blood becomes an everyday part of ordinary matches or, even worse, certain wrestlers forgo moderation in favour of making themselves look like knife attack victims then it loses effectiveness.

Everyone's range of too much, too little and just right is different, so me giving examples of when I considered blood a positive and when I thought it failed and became silly wouldn't be of much use. I don't know...recently, the Cena/Lesner match is one I remember being enhanced whereas anything involving an older, bloody Ric Flair in TNA almost always verged on overkill.
GothicBohemian is offline  
post #3 of 12 (permalink) Old 11-13-2012, 05:16 PM
Searching for a new identity
 
septurum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Here
Posts: 5,672
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
                 
Re: Analyze This: Blading & Bleeding

I think eventually it was overused. When used sparingly and in the right moment, it can be extremely effective. Think about Bret vs Austin at Mania. Without blood, that match would not have meant as much. The bloodiest match I have seen is probably JBL vs Eddie Guerrero at Judgment Day 2004.

septurum is offline  
post #4 of 12 (permalink) Old 11-13-2012, 07:10 PM
Learning to break kayfabe
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 9
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
 
Re: Analyze This: Blading & Bleeding

Personally witnessed? Terry Funk and Kevin Sullivan headlined some indy promotion around south Florida around 10 years back. They ended up brawling all over rodeo pit and it got pretty bloody.

Bloodiest as far as WWE? Maybe Guerrero/JBL from I wanna say Judgment Day '04? Crimson Masks galore
Club27 is offline  
post #5 of 12 (permalink) Old 11-13-2012, 10:01 PM
If I really don't like someone, I call them a Tony Schiavone.---Ron Funches
 
Elipses Corter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Washington D.C.
Posts: 10,995
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
                     
Re: Analyze This: Blading & Bleeding

Originally, I feel bleeding was a good way in adding intensity to a feud. When done just to be done, it kind of ruined that and made it look like it happened for no reason or needed to be for a match to really get over.

As for bloodiest match, I believe it was in Smokey Mountain Wrestling, with Kevin Sullivan & Brian Lee. I'm just going to assume it was pretty damn bloody because they put a giant X in the middle of the screen.

And of course, Terry Funk/Sabu from ECW Born To Be Wired '97. Sure, it was a barbed wire match but it was pretty damn sick. Also, I remember a match from MLW between Sabu/La Parka, where Sabu ripped part of La Parka's mask off and jabbed him with a spike. La Parka bled heavily and the remainder of his mask was soaked in blood. It was also a pretty good match.
Elipses Corter is offline  
post #6 of 12 (permalink) Old 11-14-2012, 12:54 AM Thread Starter
Acknowledged by SCOTT STEINER
 
theidealstranger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,479
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
           
Re: Analyze This: Blading & Bleeding

Quote:
Originally Posted by septurum View Post
I think eventually it was overused. When used sparingly and in the right moment, it can be extremely effective. Think about Bret vs Austin at Mania. Without blood, that match would not have meant as much. The bloodiest match I have seen is probably JBL vs Eddie Guerrero at Judgment Day 2004.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Club27 View Post
Personally witnessed? Terry Funk and Kevin Sullivan headlined some indy promotion around south Florida around 10 years back. They ended up brawling all over rodeo pit and it got pretty bloody.

Bloodiest as far as WWE? Maybe Guerrero/JBL from I wanna say Judgment Day '04? Crimson Masks galore
JBL Eddie match bleeding was "botched" by Eddie and things got difficult for Eddie for a couple of weeks because of it. Not an ideal case of bleeding/blading.

Spoiler for Give the guy a break:
theidealstranger is offline  
post #7 of 12 (permalink) Old 11-14-2012, 12:59 AM
Celestial Messiah
 
reDREDD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 33,596
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
                     
Re: Analyze This: Blading & Bleeding

Eddie/JBL is probably one of the greatest matches, face performances and THE match I think of when I remember Eddie

Its something special

It did damage though, and it was dangerous.

So its not a straighforward debate

reDREDD is offline  
post #8 of 12 (permalink) Old 11-14-2012, 05:34 PM
Searching for a new identity
 
septurum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Here
Posts: 5,672
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
                 
Re: Analyze This: Blading & Bleeding

Quote:
Originally Posted by theidealstranger View Post
JBL Eddie match bleeding was "botched" by Eddie and things got difficult for Eddie for a couple of weeks because of it. Not an ideal case of bleeding/blading.
Great Muta's Muta scale match against Hiroshi Hase was a botched bladejob as well. If you do it right you should never bleed like that.

septurum is offline  
post #9 of 12 (permalink) Old 11-14-2012, 05:58 PM
Dyl
Yelled at by SCOTT STEINER
 
Dyl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,650
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
               
Re: Analyze This: Blading & Bleeding

Foley talks a lot about the 'art' of 'busting eybrows'in his first book. He bled in many many matches and as far as I'm aware, never bladed.

Blood adds loads to certain matches, there are matches that just wouldn't be the same without it, such a shame it's died out, along with proper chair shots.
Dyl is offline  
post #10 of 12 (permalink) Old 11-15-2012, 12:36 AM
Winning World titles, Custom Made Clothes
 
RyanPelley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Belleville, Indiana
Posts: 15,066
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
                     
Re: Analyze This: Blading & Bleeding

Quote:
Originally Posted by septurum View Post
The bloodiest match I have seen is probably JBL vs Eddie Guerrero at Judgment Day 2004.
Funny you should mention that. I saw JBL talking about that earlier today. Said he had no idea that Eddie bled that much until he watched the tape later, to which it is shocking.

Seems like it got to the point where blood baths were happening too regularly. As a few people mentioned, it should be done sparingly to intensify a feud. Look at how much it added to Bret Hart - Steve Austin. That put Austin over the fucking top.

Hell, HBK - Undertaker at Badd Blood, another example of great use of "blading". After a couple of months of Shawn's bullshit, the "WHY SHAWN WHY" chair shot, and the chair shot at Summerslam, Taker finally beat the fuck out of Shawn. That shot they used to use in the old Raw intro, with Shawn looking up, a face covered in blood, that was fucking incredible!



That has got to be Kane.
RyanPelley is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

User Tag List

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome