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theidealstranger 11-13-2012 11:40 AM

Analyze This: Blading & Bleeding
 
Rumor has it that, Abdullah the Butcher's head had scar lines due to extreme case of blading during matches. Much before blading came, wrestlers who wanted blood in their match simply attacked the brow of the opponent legitimately opening them up and letting them bleed, a lost art when the easy way of blading came. Great Muta set the standard for blading with the Muta scale. Ric Flair and Hitman are known to be skilled bladers who did it cleverly.

When did this need or trend of having to have blood visible in a pro-wrestling match start and what was the bloodiest match that involved blood, blading or otherwise that you were a witness to? How does it add value to a match?

GothicBohemian 11-13-2012 12:34 PM

Re: Analyze This: Blading & Bleeding
 
Used properly, I think it can elevate a certain type of match by introducing a touch of risk and reality. Every trick has a time and place, blading included, but when blood becomes an everyday part of ordinary matches or, even worse, certain wrestlers forgo moderation in favour of making themselves look like knife attack victims then it loses effectiveness.

Everyone's range of too much, too little and just right is different, so me giving examples of when I considered blood a positive and when I thought it failed and became silly wouldn't be of much use. I don't know...recently, the Cena/Lesner match is one I remember being enhanced whereas anything involving an older, bloody Ric Flair in TNA almost always verged on overkill.

septurum 11-13-2012 04:16 PM

Re: Analyze This: Blading & Bleeding
 
I think eventually it was overused. When used sparingly and in the right moment, it can be extremely effective. Think about Bret vs Austin at Mania. Without blood, that match would not have meant as much. The bloodiest match I have seen is probably JBL vs Eddie Guerrero at Judgment Day 2004.

Club27 11-13-2012 06:10 PM

Re: Analyze This: Blading & Bleeding
 
Personally witnessed? Terry Funk and Kevin Sullivan headlined some indy promotion around south Florida around 10 years back. They ended up brawling all over rodeo pit and it got pretty bloody.

Bloodiest as far as WWE? Maybe Guerrero/JBL from I wanna say Judgment Day '04? Crimson Masks galore

xoxoPAiGEaNGELxoxo 11-13-2012 09:01 PM

Re: Analyze This: Blading & Bleeding
 
Originally, I feel bleeding was a good way in adding intensity to a feud. When done just to be done, it kind of ruined that and made it look like it happened for no reason or needed to be for a match to really get over.

As for bloodiest match, I believe it was in Smokey Mountain Wrestling, with Kevin Sullivan & Brian Lee. I'm just going to assume it was pretty damn bloody because they put a giant X in the middle of the screen.

And of course, Terry Funk/Sabu from ECW Born To Be Wired '97. Sure, it was a barbed wire match but it was pretty damn sick. Also, I remember a match from MLW between Sabu/La Parka, where Sabu ripped part of La Parka's mask off and jabbed him with a spike. La Parka bled heavily and the remainder of his mask was soaked in blood. It was also a pretty good match.

theidealstranger 11-13-2012 11:54 PM

Re: Analyze This: Blading & Bleeding
 
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Originally Posted by septurum (Post 12263407)
I think eventually it was overused. When used sparingly and in the right moment, it can be extremely effective. Think about Bret vs Austin at Mania. Without blood, that match would not have meant as much. The bloodiest match I have seen is probably JBL vs Eddie Guerrero at Judgment Day 2004.

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Originally Posted by Club27 (Post 12263821)
Personally witnessed? Terry Funk and Kevin Sullivan headlined some indy promotion around south Florida around 10 years back. They ended up brawling all over rodeo pit and it got pretty bloody.

Bloodiest as far as WWE? Maybe Guerrero/JBL from I wanna say Judgment Day '04? Crimson Masks galore

JBL Eddie match bleeding was "botched" by Eddie and things got difficult for Eddie for a couple of weeks because of it. Not an ideal case of bleeding/blading.

reDREDD 11-13-2012 11:59 PM

Re: Analyze This: Blading & Bleeding
 
Eddie/JBL is probably one of the greatest matches, face performances and THE match I think of when I remember Eddie

Its something special

It did damage though, and it was dangerous.

So its not a straighforward debate

septurum 11-14-2012 04:34 PM

Re: Analyze This: Blading & Bleeding
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by theidealstranger (Post 12264591)
JBL Eddie match bleeding was "botched" by Eddie and things got difficult for Eddie for a couple of weeks because of it. Not an ideal case of bleeding/blading.

Great Muta's Muta scale match against Hiroshi Hase was a botched bladejob as well. If you do it right you should never bleed like that.

Dyl 11-14-2012 04:58 PM

Re: Analyze This: Blading & Bleeding
 
Foley talks a lot about the 'art' of 'busting eybrows'in his first book. He bled in many many matches and as far as I'm aware, never bladed.

Blood adds loads to certain matches, there are matches that just wouldn't be the same without it, such a shame it's died out, along with proper chair shots.

RyanPelley 11-14-2012 11:36 PM

Re: Analyze This: Blading & Bleeding
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by septurum (Post 12263407)
The bloodiest match I have seen is probably JBL vs Eddie Guerrero at Judgment Day 2004.

Funny you should mention that. I saw JBL talking about that earlier today. Said he had no idea that Eddie bled that much until he watched the tape later, to which it is shocking.

Seems like it got to the point where blood baths were happening too regularly. As a few people mentioned, it should be done sparingly to intensify a feud. Look at how much it added to Bret Hart - Steve Austin. That put Austin over the fucking top.

Hell, HBK - Undertaker at Badd Blood, another example of great use of "blading". After a couple of months of Shawn's bullshit, the "WHY SHAWN WHY" chair shot, and the chair shot at Summerslam, Taker finally beat the fuck out of Shawn. That shot they used to use in the old Raw intro, with Shawn looking up, a face covered in blood, that was fucking incredible!



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