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post #31 of 128 (permalink) Old 11-11-2012, 07:58 AM
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Re: Biggest mistakes in the Attitude Era?

I agree with the guy who mentioned Austin turning heel. They should of seen the fans weren't going to buy that shit and when they shook hands Austin stuns McMahon. Didn't have to turn him heel, we'd just seen him demolish The Rock with a chair, but then stun McMahon, he should of took a new edge to his character in the fact that he will literally do anything to win the title, side with McMahon for a second to get the job done but then show he doesn't trust anybody.
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Surprised no one has mentioned this but IMO, Kane should have gotten an extended run with the belt in 1998.

He should have at least held the belt until November/December, possibly dropping it to Foley then continue with the planned Rock/Foley feud. But having him win it, dropping it the next night to Austin then a few months later, having him and Taker as "co-champions" was a bad idea. I understand it helped turn the Rock heel and it was great how so many angles were born from Austin/McMahon but I feel Kane would have been great as the dominant and unstoppable champion.

And The Union was a pretty bad idea, as well.

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Same problem wcw had, not creating future stars for the business. Vince rode Taker,Austin,Rock,HHH as much as WCW rode Hogan,Nash,Savage,Sting with both companies not really creating to many future talents. When the AE started to die down in 2001, Vince thought he would do alright buy buying the wcw roster and creating the dream feuds that we always wanted to see. But push came to shove and Vince thought he could just buy a few of the guys and go from there. It didnt quite pan out. So he did the draft split but still he relied on the stars from the AE. Yes guys like Big Show werent old but they were tv old. Then it seemed like anytime he pushed an ew name, it didnt quite work out: Brock left,Benoit/Eddie didnt draw, JBL although a good heel just wasnt that good for buyrates and attendance. So it took a little bit longer but Vince finally got some good all stars for his company: Cena,Batista,Orton..and now Punk but it took awhile to get there.

I mean look at the top stars of the attitude era and by 2002 how thin the roster was:

Rock-left for hollywood, was only a part timer.
Kane-Got stale
Undertaker-doing good as the biker, but not as much of a draw as he used tobe.
The list goes on and on

Im going to say the biggest mistake of the attitude era, was not creating new stars towards the end.
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I disagree.. Rock, HHH, and Kane were all still relatively young. By 2000, Vince was pushing Benoit, Angle and Guerrero. Not to mention Taker, Austin, Foley were still in their 30's.

And how was Big Show TV old? He was only 27 in 2000..
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Some more mistakes from the Attitude Era:

-Kane's 24 hour title reign.

- Feeding Big Show to Austin on the RAW before WM15. That match should've been saved and built up to a PPV. It could've almost been the Hogan/Andre of the Attitude Era if Big Show had been built up properly.

-Not a single standard one-on-one match at WM2000

-Stephanie McMahon's Women's title reign.

-Rock pinning Vince to win the title at KOTR2000 and not Triple H.

-The way the main event of Survivor Series 1999 was handled. They knew weeks ahead of time that Austin would not be able to go so they shouldn't have plugged the triple threat match then pull the bait and switch with Big Show. It seriously pissed off the fans and is why I consider SSeries 1999 one of the worst of all time.

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too many short title reigns.
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too many short title reigns.
I agree with this.

WWE Title changed hands 13 times in 1999, the tag titles changed hands 15 times (including 6 times between August 9 and September 23) and the Intercontinental Title changed hands 23 times between February 14, 1999 and December 10, 2000 (including 3 times in 4 days during July 1999).

No way that titles should change hands that often so for people saying titles don't matter now, they really didn't then. Problem is, guys back then could get over without having the belt, these days, guys struggle to get over with the belt.

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I don't get the hate for Austin's heel turn. I thought it was really well done, myself. Those first few weeks of him destroying the Hardys and whatnot, they made the guy look like a legit monster. The biggest problem with it was that there was no dominant babyface for him to feud with besides Undertaker. Kurt Angle vs Austin in the summer of 2001 was awesome, and it really got Kurt over as a serious performer, but sadly we had the Invasion screw up to deal with at the same time. I agree that Austin siding with McMahon out of the blue was strange, because it was out of character. However, Austin as a heel himself was great.

Now, onto some of the biggest Attitude mistakes...

Well, obviously Rikishi's "I did it for the Rock" makes this list. That heel turn basically killed him, and was so underwhelming. "What, this fat dancing joke of a guy ran over the top babyface in the company and now they're feuding? OK...

I'm gonna avoid stuff like Mae Young and the hand. Those were just stupid storylines, we all know it, every era has them. I'm gonna try to get to the big issues.

I think El Chapo will agree with me when I say that one of the biggest mistakes of Attitude was the Fed's handling of ECW guys, specifically Raven and Tazz. My God, Tazz, what did they do to you? They could have done so much with Tazz, and by his second PPV appearance he was taking on Bossman and Bull Buchanan. I'd have loved to see a Tazz vs Big Show feud where Tazz just completely owned him right before he went to OVW. Can you imagine how much that would have solidified him? Instead, by the summer he was jobbing to Jerry Lawler. That was handled so poorly.

Chyna's IC title run was really terrible, but at least she was over. More than I can say for most of the title holders of today.

Billy Gunn's KOTR 1999 win was a mistake, as well. He was very effective with Road Dogg in the Outlaws, but he was just not singles star material. He's the perennial KOTR winner that went nowhere after his win, right along with Mabel. Back then KOTR was a sign of great things to come, and instead Gunn jobbed to Rock at Summerslam and went right back to the tag division.

I think they really mishandled British Bulldog when he came back in 1999. Granted, he might have been in a really bad way at that point, but come on. Jeans, work boots and his pant legs stuff into his socks? He looked like him sort of Neo-Nazi. Completely the wrong thing to do with him. Then he and the Mean Street Posse got paired up. That was a real head scratcher.

As other have said, Wrestlemania 2000 not having any regular singles matches. I love Mick Foley, but he and Big Show shouldn't have been in main event.

I'm sure there are others, as well. This sticks out the most to me.

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Yeah, they dropped the ball with a lot of ECW guys.

But an even bigger mistake was how they handled the whole ECW invasion (even if it was before the Attitude Era).

IMO, that angle could have lasted until the beginning of 1998, possibly ending at Royal Rumble or No Way Out. Now, I know that it harmed WWE in no way, shape or form but the angle still had legs. I hated to see it start off as some ECW vs. WWF storyline that was basically nothing but ECW vs. ECW. IMO, they could have had a few bigger names involved in it and as I said before, somehow start a Tommy Dreamer/HBK feud with Beulah cheating on Dreamer with Shawn. Could have gotten ECW exposure and also gotten Shawn over even more as a womanizing asshole.

I feel that would have been highly entertaining than ECW vs. Van Dam & Sabu, with Doug Furnas, Phil Lafon, Lance Wright and Brakkus thrown in for no apparent reason.

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