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Old 10-31-2012, 10:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default "(The Original) ECW ruined the industry!"

It's time for another one of these. This following rant has been influenced by IWC forums I've been reading for the past 10 years.

And I quote; "ECW ruined the industry." or
"ECW is responsible for the present declining state of the business."

I find that if it's not the attitude era people blame it's the original ECW. I think that it is well harsh to blame ECW. Thinking back to the early/mid 90's people were bored of the over the top gimmicks (Doink the clown, Papa Shango etc). WCW was doing pretty much the same thing up until the NWO angle began in 96. So ECW was something new, different and definatly an ideal alternative for people who were looking for something different. I guess wrestling fans had grown up from the Golden Age Superhero days and wanted something fresh.

ECW had a mixture of styles from Japanese style to Lucha Libre style to hardcore wrestling, definatly different to what the big two were doing. Ok so I admit ECW wasn't for everyone it was mainly aimed to that 18-34 male audience but come on to blame ECW for the current state of the business is really harsh. Look at the names who came through ECW; Austin (really started to develope the whole Stone Cold gimmick in ECW) Jericho, Guererro, Benoit, Malenko, Mysterio etc.

I think that to think that ECW ruined the industry you must be a smart mark, and basically someone who thinks that just because you come up with a good idea on the internet that automatically makes you a booker, who is obviously suffering with Bill Watts syndrome and just can't let go of the 80s.
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Those people who hated ECW must have hated the Attitude Era, seeing as how ECW was a heavy influence.

Not only that but ECW incorporated that old school style, mixed with the pop culture of the 90s. Truth is, ECW had something for everyone. If you wanted the hardcore, you had Sandman, Raven, Dreamer, Balls, etc. If you wanted Lucha Libre, ECW was the first promotion to bring that to a large American audience, with Rey, Juventud, Psychosis and various international stars. If you wanted technical wrestling, you had Chris Candido, Shane Douglas, Lance Storm, etc. For comedy, you had the BWO & FBI. Overall, it took wrestling away from focusing on good vs. evil and made everything seem more realistic, with characters the everyday person could relate to.

All in all, it made for some of the better TV in the 90s and from what I've read in the past, was heavily praised by the IWC.
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Those people who hated ECW must have hated the Attitude Era, seeing as how ECW was a heavy influence.

Not only that but ECW incorporated that old school style, mixed with the pop culture of the 90s. Truth is, ECW had something for everyone. If you wanted the hardcore, you had Sandman, Raven, Dreamer, Balls, etc. If you wanted Lucha Libre, ECW was the first promotion to bring that to a large American audience, with Rey, Juventud, Psychosis and various international stars. If you wanted technical wrestling, you had Chris Candido, Shane Douglas, Lance Storm, etc. For comedy, you had the BWO & FBI. Overall, it took wrestling away from focusing on good vs. evil and made everything seem more realistic, with characters the everyday person could relate to.

All in all, it made for some of the better TV in the 90s and from what I've read in the past, was heavily praised by the IWC.
As I have said many times I was not an ECW fan back then, and there was a time when I thought the ECW did things that hurt the industry. I was probably one of those voices years ago that blasted ECW as an abomination. But looking back on it now, I do not believe that ECW ruined anything. If anything it brought back an appreciation for well laid out wrestling storylines, and paid homage to the territory days. Sure it probably contributed to the over the top dangerous spots, that probably pushed it a little. That being in the sense that they always had to up themselves and it created a very dangerous element in the sport.

My dislike for ECW was born out of a love of the southern territories which were often derided on ECW television. I never understood this because I felt the ECW was largely a mirror image of alot of the southern type angles I grew up with. So now instead of slamming Paul E. for trying to take credit for what the southern territories did, I give him credit for bringing it back.

It still pains me a little to hear the ECW chants (although they have dissapeared for the most part). I don't ever recall wanting to chant "Georgia, Georgia" when I saw a bloody chain match, or "Memphis, Memphis" when I saw a scaffold match. Or even "Florida, Flordia" when I saw a wreslter who worked that territory. Why did people chant ECW after a stiff chair spot or a really awesome moonsault? Both of those were done years before. I always thought it was ridiculous. But I digress.

The ECW was a reflection of what the country was in that time period, and that is why the WWF took that "it factor", and ran with it in the AE. Blamming ECW for todays stail brands is like blamming Soundgarden for a lack of vision in the current rock establishment. They were so good back then people just are not excited about today's offerings? That does not work.

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Truth is, ECW had something for everyone. If you wanted the hardcore, you had Sandman, Raven, Dreamer, Balls, etc. If you wanted Lucha Libre, ECW was the first promotion to bring that to a large American audience, with Rey, Juventud, Psychosis and various international stars. If you wanted technical wrestling, you had Chris Candido, Shane Douglas, Lance Storm, etc. For comedy, you had the BWO & FBI. Overall, it took wrestling away from focusing on good vs. evil and made everything seem more realistic, with characters the everyday person could relate to.
What about the superheroes for the kids, and the hawt guys for women to fawn over?
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Wait, so you started an anti-ECW thread solely so you could disagree with yourself?

I question your motives, sir. And/or your judgment, whatever. >.>
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:50 AM   #6 (permalink)
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As for the superheroes and guys for women to fawn over, ECW was never about that. There whole motto was going against the grain and being anti-establishment. It simply offered something different from the watered down crap that was WCW & WWF in the mid 90s. Those same superheroes who became legends elsewhere and the so called "pretty boys" would get shitted on if they step foot in ECW, especially with a gimmick like Hogan's or the visual characteristics of a guy like HBK.

The fans of ECW is what makes some traditionalists have a somewhat negative view of ECW, similar to those of the Attitude Era. For it's time, both ECW & the Attitude Era made for a change, a change that was much needed. The business as a whole was suffering in the mid 90s and ECW helped spark that change that WCW & WWF later would adapt.

The only way I can see that ECW hurt the industry was that it set high expectations that companies in later years could not meet. The Raven/Dreamer feud was somewhat recreated in WCW with Raven/DDP, somewhat Taz path of rage, verbally blasting and physically assaulting Pay Heyman was recreated to an extent with Stone Cold/McMahon and Team Hell No is somewhat influenced by the RVD/Sabu team in 1998. But for the most part, everything in wrestling was first showcased on a smaller stage. ECW often got many ideas from the old school territories but meshed them well with the new age and pop culture. All this done with relative unknowns for the most part.

Another thing that might make some traditionalists upset is the overused "holy shit" chant. Chants like that developed in ECW in various extreme moments, such as Tommy Dreamer getting chokeslamed off the Eagle's Nest through multiple tables, fans filling the arena with chairs in the Cactus Jack/Terry Funk vs. Public Enemy barbed wire match or plenty of shit Sabu was doing that had never been seen before in the states. Nowadays, fans throw it around for the most meaningless moments. Aside from that, ECW had quality everything, excellent, well thought out storylines and was able to keep things fresh. In a time where wrestling became more about entertainment, the big 2 were failing to keep fans entertained, especially with the same played out characters. ECW was fresh and sparked the interest in the business again.

And I feel if Tod Gordon never had the company "stole" from him, ECW would have outlasted WCW, as it was Tod's money that kept ECW afloat for years and took the workload off Heyman.
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I can see why some people see things this way. While ECW had some awesome wrestling, e.g. Mysterio, Jericho, RVD, Lynn etc, it also had garbage hardcore wrestling. They also exposed the business way more than WCW and the WWF, the way they would refer to other organizations and figures, like Pillman scolding Bischoff and Austin talking about being fired from WCW. Ofcourse the ECW fans were also very into the wrestling scene, reading dirt sheets and going on the internet for news, and then they'd refer to it via chants during matches.

Edit: Can't forget the You Fucked Up chants either ofcourse.
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Wait, so you started an anti-ECW thread solely so you could disagree with yourself?

I question your motives, sir. And/or your judgment, whatever. >.>
No disrespect mate but did you actually read my post? Where I said blaming ECW for the current state of the business is really harsh and were I mention that ECW helped the industry and was something new and fresh that hadn't really been seen before. Also if you look at the title you will see that it is in quotation marks meaning that someone else said it, in this case members of the IWC, and I am just passing it on.
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I can see why some people see things this way. While ECW had some awesome wrestling, e.g. Mysterio, Jericho, RVD, Lynn etc, it also had garbage hardcore wrestling. They also exposed the business way more than WCW and the WWF, the way they would refer to other organizations and figures, like Pillman scolding Bischoff and Austin talking about being fired from WCW. Ofcourse the ECW fans were also very into the wrestling scene, reading dirt sheets and going on the internet for news, and then they'd refer to it via chants during matches.

Edit: Can't forget the You Fucked Up chants either ofcourse.
I agree, but this is also what made it great in a strange way. The fanbase was so rabid and invested in the product. I loved it at the time - felt like I was part of a club or something -
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