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Old 10-25-2012, 10:12 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Not sure if this is the right thread for it but speaking of territories and Memphis...

Recently Ive been enjoying the fuck out of going through the Lawler/Savage feud of 84/85 (I think its those years?), watched a title match, cage match and loser leaves town, fucking awesome how they keep building in intensity.
What really hooked me in was this promo, exactly the type of old-school promo I just cant get enough of, amazing how magnetic everyone is in this vid, exactly the type of believable money promos that guys could only do in the territory days when guys had to learn to draw money with their mouths wherever they went, here you get
Savage at his psychotic best, deranged yet not nonsensical like he'd often become in the WWF, those fuckin eyes!
Lawler at his babyface best, ths is the type of thing Cena needs to learn to do, a good guy babyface who's pissed and needs to kick this guys ass.
Austin Idol swinging his axe -need i say more.
and Joe leduc who manages to somehow be twice as unnerving as all of the above.




If I lived in Memphis when this happened id like fuck! take my money,I need to see these guys fight, you just don't see promos like this anymore.
The matches if anyone wants to see them
Southern HW title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKCb2LwplIA
Cage match
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2t...r-cage-m_sport
Loser leaves town
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJWzuCvcaDk
Great post. This is what I have been trying to communicate to you guys about the southern territories, especially Memphis (CWA). It was just a different level of intensity then. It was why the kayfabe era is missed by many. We all knew is was fake, or most of us anyways, but there was just enough reality that it allowed you to get swept up in the moment. It was easier to suspend the "smarkness" in all of us to just stinkin enjoy the match and the heat without attatching a star level.

If you enjoyed 83/84, 1982 to me was just on another level in Memphis. Jimmy Hart, Jimmy Valient, Koko Ware, Bobby Eaton, The Dream Machine, the Fabulous Ones, The Nightmares, Iron Sheik, Ric Flair, Harly Race, Dutch Mantell, Austin Idol, Tommy Rich, every week was chaos.
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Old 10-25-2012, 10:58 PM   #22 (permalink)
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From what I remember here is the order of the collapse of the territories and the formation of the "two party system" WWF/WCW.

This is not exact but to the best of my memory it happened like this.

1. The WWF started their expansion
2. The NWA got together and started to swap their bigger stars more frequantly between, Georgia, Florida, and Mid Atlantic due to their close proxiemety. St Louis and Central States were also sharing talent already with these areas as well.
3. Georgia and Memphis breifly alligned although they still ran seperate tv
4. The AWA and the NWA southern promotions formed Pro Wrestling USA and tried to compete with WWF, this did not last long.
5. Several territories died, like WWA, the Califonia territories, Southwest, Amarillo, and Big Time.
6. The Briscos sold their Georgia WTBS slot to McMahon
7. JCP came in and rescued the WTBS show for NWA and forged an alliance with Georgia
8. Georgia and Mid Atlantic merged although for a while Mid Atlantic still ran their own shows in their area.
9. St Louis and Central States closed shop.
10. Florida, Mid South, WCCW, Pacific Northwest, Contenintal, and Memphis all still maintained their own shows and business as usual although Florida was still loaning and borrowing talent from the new JCP/Georgia alliance.
11. Mid South became UWF
12. CWA became USWA
13. WCCW withdrew from the NWA
14. UWF merged with JCP
15. The JCP alliance left the NWA officially and became WCW
16. Florida still maintained it's seperate status as a traditional territory and member of the NWA
17. Continintal folded as a major territory taking their product mainly to the Gulf Coast and becoming more of an independent.
18. AWA, USWA, and WCCW tried to merge but it failed immediatly
19. Florida folded officially only leaving a small idnependent promotion to fill the void.
20. Smokey Mountain tried to fill the void left by Contenital.
21. USWA bought out WCCW
21. Pacific Northwest folded
22. AWA folded
23. USWA deserted the Texas end of their territory
24. GWF tried to capitalize on the death of WCCW
25. Eastern Championship wrestling, an indy promotion evolves into ECW.
26. USWA is bought out by WWF making it a developmental territory, but allowing it to keep it's own television, and older stars.
27. Smokey Mountain folded
28. GWF folds
29. The NWA tries to rebuild using these indy promotions.
30. USWA struggles and folds after trying again under a new name.
31. Every traditional territorial promotion is dead.

---OFFICIAL DEATH OF THE TERRITORIES---

Only WCW and WWF remain as the non-indy promotions (although some would argue ECW was more than an indy by this point)
Good write up, and I agree with your outline. I remember when it was obvious that the AWA was going to fold. I still liked the AWA at that time even though Verne had screwed himself so many times with bad decisions. When I knew they were destined to fold I was hoping that Trillionaire Ted would buy them up and merge them with WCW to keep the spirit alive. At the time, the NWA title (Big Goldy) was the top title in WCW so a unification of NWA and AWA World Titles would have been a big deal in 1989-90. Larry Zbyszko could have then brought the title into WCW and had an epic unification feud with Flair or Sting who were the top two at the time. I would have preferred Zbyszko vs Flair as the two would have had excellent matches in my opinion.
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Quick question about ownership. Vince let's ESPN still air old AWA after all these years?
From what I understand, and I don't claim to have all the facts, ESPN owns those programs because of the television deal with Verne Gagne at the time. Verne supplied the talent, and ESPN provided the time slot. All the matches that take place on the ESPN broadcasts of AWA belong to ESPN, and Vince has no control over them. ESPN is allowed to show them because they are grandfathered in long before Vince bought up the AWA. ESPN would not be allowed to film new material using AWA trademarks and copyrights without approval from Vince, but they can do whatever they want with the shows they own.

ESPN also owns the ESPN broadcasted UWF (Abrams) and GWF. They show all three promotions on ESPN Classics late at night. So basically, ESPN owns the second largest library of 1980s and 1990s pro wrestling in the USA.
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From what I understand, and I don't claim to have all the facts, ESPN owns those programs because of the television deal with Verne Gagne at the time. Verne supplied the talent, and ESPN provided the time slot. All the matches that take place on the ESPN broadcasts of AWA belong to ESPN, and Vince has no control over them. ESPN is allowed to show them because they are grandfathered in long before Vince bought up the AWA. ESPN would not be allowed to film new material using AWA trademarks and copyrights without approval from Vince, but they can do whatever they want with the shows they own.

ESPN also owns the ESPN broadcasted UWF (Abrams) and GWF. They show all three promotions on ESPN Classics late at night. So basically, ESPN owns the second largest library of 1980s and 1990s pro wrestling in the USA.
Yep that's right good stuff Mike.

I just found a link to the Pro Wrestling USA history, and did not remember but CWA and Contenintal were also in the alliance....holy cow that was like everyone vs the WWF. Apparently Verne and JCP butted heads and ruined it. Just look up 1985 wrestling Star Wars. This will need a thread.

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