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Re: Bill Goldberg: Star or just hype?
Y'all in denial. Stevie Wonder can see that was a shitty wrestler. Cena can have a good match dragged out of him. Bret couldn't even drag a good match out of Goldberg.
Dude be serious, the streak made Goldberg. Thats what got him all his acclaim, because it damns sure wasn't mic skills or wrestling ability. It was anticipated because people wanted to see Goldberg come out & fuck shit up, it's all he was good at. That didn't happen and the Goldberg appeal was lost because that was his gimmick, to fuck shit up. He wasn't fucking shit up in WWE because their star power is on a different level. Guys got over on their look, talent, abilities, mic skills, a lot more then what Goldberg had to offer.
Again, fans wanted to see the monster, the machine, the guy who runs through the entire roster. Instead, we got the '99-'01 Goldberg, which was a completely different guy then what he got from '98-mid '99. What ruined him then was his dumbness. Sure, it was a reincarnation but the NWO revival was supposed to keep Goldberg going as a monster but he hurt himself. He comes back, turns heel (which got no interest from the fans) and when WCW realizes that, they have him feud with Russo, which was a ripoff of Austin/McMahon.
Anticipation of a debut means nothing in the grand scheme. If you can't live up to the hype, it was bust. Goldberg in WWE was bust. It's all about how you're booked. The best Goldberg could ever look was the way he was booked all the way until he fucked his arm up. Nothing else could of topped that. Which means, he was a one trick pony.
No way Goldberg is a better wrestler than Cena. Working with Cena seems to be pretty easy. Goldberg was green as baby shit and ended a career, all because he never developed actual wrestling ability and relied on power. Don't bring up the 5 knuckle shuffle and act like that covers Cena's whole career. Cena, for the first 2-3 years of his career, was an exceptional wrestler, miles ahead of Goldberg, who was injury prone. My theory is, if Bret can't drag a good match out of you, you really suck as a wrestler.
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Re: Bill Goldberg: Star or just hype?
Look, I really dislike Cena. I think in my time on this forum I've made that pretty clear. However, even I wouldn't go as far as to say Goldberg was a better wrestler. Cena can give you a 25 minute match. Goldberg...7 minutes is really pushing it. He was booked very smartly-short, quick matches that made him look beastly. But as an actual worker...he was no Jushin Liger, let's just say that.
I love Goldberg, I've always been infinitely more entertained by him than I ever have been by Cena. However, Cena really is the better worker. I can't defend Goldberg's in ring to that extent.
Still, he was at least better than Steve McMichael.
Just as an interesting tidbit for El Chapo, there used to be a saying going around the WWF back in 1999 that the only two guys on the entire roster who couldn't have a good match with Chris Benoit were Kane and Billy Gunn. Your analogy of Bret not being able to drag a good match out of Goldberg reminded me of that. Although, I'll give Goldberg credit. His match with DDP at Halloween Havoc 1998 I thought was definitely passable. Perhaps that's because it looked like Kenta Kobashi vs Mitsuharu Misawa in comparison to the match that preceded it, which was the infamous Hogan/Warrior 2. Still, for Goldberg standards I thought it was pretty solid, and overall not bad.
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Goldberg vs DDP at Havoc was more than passable. It was a classic.
Goldberg was actually underrated. He was legit, the real deal.
It was an okay match, the fans added to it though. The pop when DDP reversed the jackhammer into the Diamond Cutter was huge, it was as if Punk had just beaten Cena for the WWE title in Chicago, it was deafening.
I miss those passionate crazy crowds WCW had during it's peak, they popped for anything.
Goldberg was a huge star and only second below Austin. He was mega over and everyone knew him. Like most WCW guys, he wasn't really pushed or respected enough in WWE and since the winner's rewrite history, he's been forgotten. Similar to DDP.