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Old 10-08-2012, 11:14 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Default Re: Bill Goldberg: Star or just hype?

He was a huge deal for a short time and people still chant his name at similar wrestlers like Ryback. Even Lesnar had to deal with Goldberg chants early on. He was memorable.

He lucked into the right gimmick and push but WCW lucked into him as well because not everybody could have pulled that gimmick off. Goldberg just had the perfect look and intensity in the ring to make it all very believable.

He was horribly misused as time went along. They screwed up the streak by having it end in such a crap way. They tried to briefly turn him heel at one point and that failed miserably. His momentum was also slowed by a couple injuries. Bret Hart hurt him once and another time he injured his arm punching a window. WCW also didn't develop other fresh stars to feud with him. Lot's of reasons for the downfall but Goldberg was very good.
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Default Re: Bill Goldberg: Star or just hype?

He was absolutely a star, but I think that he was also quite fortunate. Had he moved over to the WWE when they bought out WCW I think that his hype would've died down a lot sooner than 2004. Goldberg was 75% gimmick, and that's never going to last. Substance and versatility are the two key ingredients to longevity in wrestling. Goldberg had neither.
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Old 10-08-2012, 11:52 AM   #33 (permalink)
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He along with Scott Hall and DDP were my favorites in WCW.

Goldberg was a prominent star in the Monday Night Wars. That says enough imo.
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Default Re: Bill Goldberg: Star or just hype?

Honestly, if not that streak, Goldberg wouldn't be such big.
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He was absolutely a star, but I think that he was also quite fortunate. Had he moved over to the WWE when they bought out WCW I think that his hype would've died down a lot sooner than 2004. Goldberg was 75% gimmick, and that's never going to last. Substance and versatility are the two key ingredients to longevity in wrestling. Goldberg had neither.
I agree to a point. He would have gotten exposed over time for not being able to cut promos and not being all that great as a worker.

I do think he would have been huge in the invasion angle though. He's exactly what that angle was missing. He was a top star synonymous with the rival WCW brand and could have played a great monster heel with someone like Heyman or another alliance member being his mouthpiece.
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Goldberg was a star. He was very limited in the ring but was incredibly agile for a big man and his character and body language made him convincing. He didn't even have to say a word and yet could put over such a domineering presence.

He had the perfect entrance, the perfect finisher and he produced moments that went beyond spectacular. Goldberg had intensity, he had the character to make his streak believable and WCW used this to perfection by hiding his weaknesses with his strengths.

He was limited in the ring, so they used his character to put over a domination streak. He was poor on the mic, so he was made into a all do no talk guy.

WCW's demise was always going to be the beginning of the end for him, Vince just didn't know how to use him. He was never any good on the mic and it showed.

It's ultimately the moments he produced in the ring that I'll always remember. Yes he was very limited but what he COULD do was so spectacular - THAT spear he did on Christian, spearing the Kwee Wee in mid-air, jack-hammering the Giant/Big Show.
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He was nothing compared to the awesome likes of Christopher Daniels Low Key and Samoa Joe, I never got why he was so damn successful why WWE decided to bring in them, its just b*llsh*t backstabbing politics.

Goldberg could never do top rope hurricanranas, planchas and never knew how to chain wrestle properly. Did he really think those three minute squasehes was going to get him over. never had any love for the business, he just saw it as something he could make money to support his family, and never gave anything back compared to these guys.


IMO just too much hype, backstage politics for a talentless muscle head.
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He was a star. I really do not understand how people can even argue that. He was highly popular with the fans and highly successful in his career. He may not have been the best in the ring, but people wanted to see him. If Goldberg wasn't a star because he wasn't talented enough, how can anybody say that Hogan was a star?

He was WCWs BEST homegrown talent.
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Default Re: Bill Goldberg: Star or just hype?

He was well protected and booked and became a star because of that.
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Hulk Hogan is a man who can not wrestle, can barely move properly, was balding and Vince managed to convince the entire planet that Hulk Hogan was the best wrestler on earth

The Ultimate Warrior was even less talented in wrestling, was insane, could get gassed quickly in a match due to steroids, and Vince convinced the planet that Warrior was a some sort of god

Bret Hart is duller than dishwater. Vince convinced everyone that Bret was a worthy heir to the role of WWF figurehead and WWF champion and he can beat Yokozuna

Rey Mysterio is a midget. Vince convinced everyone that Rey Mysterio is a world fucking HEAVYWEIGHT champion

Goldberg was an egomanic shit wrestler who got his ass kicked by chris Jericho and he could barely talk and didnt understand anything about the business of wrestling. He was turned into one of the best on earth

Then you get to guys like Austin who just had a superb work ethic but overall was a pretty normal dull guy. Undertaker was huge but otherwise not that noteworthy. Until Vince figured out to bring out their best qualities.

Thats the magic of wrestling. Focus on the positives, hide the negatives to make these averages joes look like perfect supergods.

I mean if you think about it, Wrestlemania 3 was just a fake fight between a guy loaded up on steroids, and a guy who cant move, has a serious thyroid problem and wore a backbrace. And it wasnt even a very good match. But by making them look larger than life and focusing on the spectacle, you made people believe this was the match of the century. When in reality it looked like two guys fighting in slow motion

Thats the nature of the business. Promotion. The same applies in boxing and MMA but moreso in wrestling as it isnt built as much on talent as it is on marketability and popularity

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1. Hogan could work
2. Jericho never kicked anybodies ass.
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