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Old 02-17-2013, 01:48 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I'll make something happen with this. That way I can stop sitting on the fence with my knowledge on the work. I'm at that awkward stage of being in-between a noob and a guy who knows the style very well. The old "I know a little about a lot of things" sort of mentality here.
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Old 02-17-2013, 01:55 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Yeah, I think you'll enjoy the trilogy of Jones outings as its very familiar to a Regal and Finlay match in America and definitely something of a precursor to that style of wrestling. Main reason I think its best to start with these matches is that whilst it deviates from the more pure grappling style embodied in a lot of the classic WOS matches, it still displays good matwork, chain wrestling and usage of the rounds system. Thus if you come out of the match with a good impression you'll be able to watch a more British style match knowing you can enjoy the style and won't be as put off compared to me giving you Breaks/Street or Grey/Myers as the first matches to watch.

Breaks/Street & Grey/Myers are excellent in their own right, but they easily gain a greater appreciation when someone knows they can absorb and enjoy the WOS style to the extent they'll check out the pure grappling contests instead of making do with the more European styled matched where stiff strikes and rough bumps are also present. Breaks/Street is a violent match though and probably one of the better examples of the matwork being used to target and severly injure an opponent in WOS. The character work from both men and the pacing to escalate the match from a feeling out process into a niggly and violent affair is also one of the more stronger parts of the match.
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Cody you're breaking my heart by not following through with that promise. Luckily I consider you family so I won't be too harsh, since well a man who turns his back on his family well he just ain't no good (only Hanoi Cheyenne of the regular contributers to this thread may get that reference).

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Jon Cortez vs Keith Haward, (1/14/84)



Despite there being a lot of clipping (the second link has Walton saying its the final fall meaning between the end of the first link and start of the second the first two falls have occurred) this is still an excellent grappling contest and something anyone who enjoys matwork would do well to watch. It feels more like an exhibition match given the clipping and the general pace of the match, but both workers are excellent grapplers (Haward is an olympic freestyle and apparent sambo grappler) who are able to work a compelling match with constant dual control but channel it into a well worked and engrossing contest. There's a lot of struggle for control and counters and both men display some immense quick fire bursts of technique to escape holds: Cortez's handstand counters in particular are a thing of beauty. Well wrestled, some incredible counters and holds applied, perhaps one of the finest WOS bouts in terms of pure precision wrestling and an absolutely excellent finish, this is definitely something people will dig.


Steve Grey vs Keith Haward, (2/5/85)



Really well done slow burn match which is as much a great illustration of Steve Grey's underappreciated talents as it is a Haward showcase. Grey isn't on the level of Cortez when it comes to grappling and matwork so Haward is far more reserved in his approach here, but Grey's strength lies in his expressive charisma and agility and ability to develop his style to reflect the changing tone of a match, which in this case sees the bout descened into a wriggly match with Haward drawing the ire of Grey and the crowd for continuously going after Grey whilst he's still technically on the mat and not on his feet. Both men pick a limb to focus on, with Haward targeting the left arm & Grey weaking the left leg of the more physically imposing Haward. The match had a nice structure and theme with Grey's agility and mat prowess continuously frustrating Haward in preventing him from grounding Grey and securing a submission and there were a couple of really intricate selling moments from Grey: the first coming about after a quick arm wringer where he noticeably goes into the next lockup with only his right arm and the second in the way in which he beautifully sells the headlock sleeper exchange in the third fall which draws a convincing TKO nearfall.

Thought both the first and second falls were done really well with a satisfying continuity arc. Haward nabs the first with a beautiful floatover into a rollup and in the second fall, Grey becomes noticeably more physical with a stiff forearm and employing Finlay esque precision and creativity in using the ropes to further weaken the leg of Haward and eventually draws Haward into attempting the same sequence that won him the opening fall, only for Grey to be able to sense it and counter into a pin of his own to level the match. The gradual build in teasing Grey's eventual surfboard was rather meticulously done and was something quite unexpected from a WOS bout and one particular fine touch was Ken Joyce as the ref noticeably protecting Haward's damaged knee when forcing a break in the surfboard.

Great match and definitely an illustration of how WOS worked these developing shift in emotion and tone matches very astutely.

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What's tomorrow, Tuesday. Ok. No form of wrestling is on. I'm gonna try and cram the current NJPW show in RIGHT NOW, maybe some ROH & NXT afterwards...then I'll have time to kill till tonight's RAW. Either in that span I'll dart back in here to start up on this or I'll save tomorrow as World of Sport Day.

Now that's a promise I shall make. No other current Puro will distract me. Gonna try my best to make sure it rings true. (stupid Diamond Ring show has that Battle Royal I need to finish too ahhhh)
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Now I'm no classic British wrestling expert and I haven't read the thread, so it might have already been mentioned but I'm sure you guys would be interested in the monthly feature in the UK wrestling mag, Fighting Spirit Magazine, where they profile a different World of Sport era British wrestler per issue.
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What's tomorrow, Tuesday. Ok. No form of wrestling is on. I'm gonna try and cram the current NJPW show in RIGHT NOW, maybe some ROH & NXT afterwards...then I'll have time to kill till tonight's RAW. Either in that span I'll dart back in here to start up on this or I'll save tomorrow as World of Sport Day.

Now that's a promise I shall make. No other current Puro will distract me. Gonna try my best to make sure it rings true. (stupid Diamond Ring show has that Battle Royal I need to finish too ahhhh)
I say it everytime, but the Marty Jones trilogy of matches would honestly be the best place to start imo to ease you into the style albeit with a take that's closer to the European you see with guys like Regal & Finlay in America. The Breaks/Street match from '72 is likely the best match I'd recommend to you in terms of pure classic WOS which is centred on the British style, but that's something to be saved for if you are hooked by the Marty Jones matches .
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Marty Jones first it is!~

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He trained Regal & is essentially the precursor to what Finlay & Regal would become. Intricate chain wrestling relient on speed and agility as opposed to the traditional grappling in the British style and big bumps and overall a more violent match. He might be the best worker ever at communicating and reacting to an alternating mood in a match. The ability he has to slowly get more violent and immediately shift a match from respectful into a violence spectacle is uncanny.

Actually, Myers/Grey 11/22/75 might be more accessible than Breaks/Street for classic WOS. Its essentially the WOS take on Flair/Steamboat, Misawa/Kawada or whatever analogy you want to use. Big atmosphere, heroic underdog babyface against the international superstar who looks immaculate and smooth in every exchange. Well paced, everything is timed well in progressing the matwork to the grappling to the rope running and its without doubt a top 3 match at worst in WOS history.
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FINALLY.... THE ROCCO HAS COME BACK TO THE WOS THREAD!

Mark 'Rollerball' Rocco that is, total legend, even amongst the talent of late 70s WOS Mark could be considered one of the top hands, tremendous natural athelete who played the vicious heel to perfection. Marks work is crisp, very intense, he cuts a blistering pace and can mat grapple, trade brutal potatoes and even fly with anyone. Often mentioned in the same breath as Dynamite Kid (who idolized him, and DK hated everyone!), it has been said that DK took all Roccos stuff and did it in front of bigger crowds thus getting the kudos but the style came from Rocco, even the brutal out of the ring brawls were groundbreaking for WOS and Mark can make a double countout seem the most natural conclusion in the world. Also, his attire, natty mustache and bronze skin make him stand out from the paler, more homely looking types in WOS.

A second generation wrestler Mark had a 20 year career first winning the junior heavyweight title in 77, a legendary series of matches with Marty Jones, feuding on and off for years with Dynamite Kid but his best known work is with Satoru Sayama (aka Sammy Lee aka Tiger Mask) first in WOS then a series in NJPW as Tiger Mask v Black Tiger(sayama says Mark was his best ever opponent)

For the purpose of this thread I'll start of with a match against the ubiquitous Marty Jones, no less an authority than WILLIAM REGAL claims these two and this series of matches both invented and mastered the classic british style, this one is from 76



part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBNqjf0qdrk
part 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj0J0htySuM

we start off at slow deliberate pace, some nice matwork that to my eyes looks to incorporate Brazilian JJ grappling (I swear Mark goes for a kimura at one point and Jones pulls butterfly gaurd), an even back and forth Rocco gets frustrated and tries to start a showboating/cartwheel contest which is fun until Jones almost takes his head off with a dropkick. This does nothing but PISS Rocco the fuck off and now hes out for blood, starts throwing vicious punches and goes to work on Jones' left arm with cranks, Rocco is all over him like a cheap suit, wont let him catch his breath and Jones has to dig deep and match him for big shots while being sneaky and letting Rocco make mistakes. The crowd are quiet and polite to begin but breathless by the end, wonderfully worked match.

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bonus- on this topic, might have mentioned it before but Regals first appearance on Cabana's podcast is a great little history lesson for WOS and british wrestling in general
http://tsmradio.com/coltcabana/2012/...-regal-part-1/
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Rocco is a guy I consider a great performer, though from what I've seen I consider many more guys better in terms of grappling and their application of the British grappling style. There are some supposedly stellar 70s bouts though including another Jones match so there's definite talent there, its just WOS was stacked with supreme wrestlers and their style is more suited to my tastes. Rocco was a great hand and personality however who much like Les Kellett & Jim Breaks brought a sense of showmanship and versatility to WOS and made a great stark contrast to the purist wrestlers. I'll be sure to watch both Jones/Rocco matches this week.

Nice write up on the Jones/Rocco match Hanoi. I've got Cortez/Grey from '81 ready to watch today alongside some more matches. Think by the end of the week I'll try and link a few heavyweight matches that are amongst the better from that division to give a reflection of the depth in talent WOS had. I'd heartily recommed the Cortez/Haward match up above. Far more of an exhibition in terms of the work which lends itself to being more accessible because the work is crisp and fluid and layered with impressive takedowns and counters, but there's a smart pacing and both really capture a sense of one upsmanship and parity that so many workers today fail to achieve.

Also I woke up today expecting Cody to have added to the thread. Oh you heartless tease you.

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