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post #31 of 33 (permalink) Old 09-29-2012, 01:54 PM
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Re: Wrestlers sacrificed to Hulk Hogan?

It was totally a different industry. Whenever Hogan lost, it was a big big deal. Now if a John Cena or a CM Punk loses (on free TV of all places), it's not a big deal because they each lose at least once every month. Back in the 80's and early 90's, Vince really had to think you were going to be a big deal if he lets someone go over Hogan. Take a look at all the guys that Hogan lost too, they went on a higher level. Why, because we rarely saw it. Now you have people saying that if Punk beats John Cena for the upteenth time and he beats a Triple H, he's going to be the greatest of all time, etc, but that's not the case because in today's industry, wins and losses don't mean anything, why because we've already seen people beat John Cena and Triple H, etc. The only person that a win will do wonders for is Undertaker at Wrestlemania, and I don't think anybody in the locker room wants to go over Taker at Wrestlemania, they just want to work with him.

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People complain about newer talent not getting over, but what they mean is that their favourite isn't getting over, everyone else can go to hell. I'm for as many people getting over as possible, it would improve the show and the more over people there are, the more avenues there are to push new talent, yes, your favourites are more likely to get pushed if there are more over people to feud with.
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post #32 of 33 (permalink) Old 09-29-2012, 10:52 PM
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Re: Wrestlers sacrificed to Hulk Hogan?

I'd go to Japan for another victim...Stan "The Lariat" Hansen. It was in early '90, IIRC. Originally, it was going to be Terry Gordy wrestling Hulkster, but "Bam Bam" backed out at the last minute. Hansen allowed himself to be put over.

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post #33 of 33 (permalink) Old 09-30-2012, 04:43 PM
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Re: Wrestlers sacrificed to Hulk Hogan?

Originally Posted by Mike Zybyszko View Post
And again, Bret Hart did the same thing to Shawn Michaels, but you conveniently don't have a problem with that. Beating Hogan wouldn't have changed anything as far as Bret Hart's career was concerned. He was a hall of famer with or without a win on Hogan. And BTW, It wasn't just Michaels, Bret was also refusing to lose clean to Austin, Rock, and HHH as well. That is why the Kliq hated his guts.
Bret refusing to lose to Austin - source?

Bret refusing to lose to Rock - the more common story is Shawn and HHH lobbying for Bret to beat Rock to put the brakes on him. In any event, Bret wrestled Rock on TV and lost by DQ.

Bret refusing to lose HHH - nonsense. Bret lost to HHH on TV, allegedly on the back of Shawn and HHH convincing Vince that Bret ought to prove he was willing to do a job. Bret duly lost. It made no sense, except in furthering the Bret/Shawn angle; otherwise there would have been no reason for that job to be done and Bret would have been justified in questioning it.

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I am not trying to be a jerk here guys but seriously, read the posts before responding. The OP is very clear about what he wants to know, and while I am open for debate, the answer is NO ONE meeets the criteria of the OP.
I always think of Rick Rude's career as being quite heavily affected by Hogan's alleged refusal to work a program with him BUT that does not fit OP's criteria - particularly because there was no feeding there.

Jake seems to have been the nearest to meeting the OP's criteria. Savage should be the definitive answer (title run overshadowed, jobbed numerous times, had his finish made light of etc) but Savage was so good it didn't derail his career.

Jericho would take a bullet for me.

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