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Old 09-26-2012, 11:52 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Hogan and Bret Hart did not have a match at all in 1993 so there was no "feeding" of Bret Hart to Hogan. And its funny how you have this big problem with Hogan refusing to job to Hart, but give Bret Hart a pass on doing THE EXACT SAME THING TO SHAWN MICHAELS. Hypocrisy at its finest.
first of all bret said he would have no problem putting shawn over to his face. but felt disrespected at the fact that shawn said he wouldn't do the same for him (put bret over) so get ya fukkin facts straight kid.
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But, it call came down to WWE not living up to their promises. He stuck around for nearly 6 years after the failed Hogan feud and wasn't never given anything he promised. IMO, it all goes back to WWE being over protective of Hogan and not capitalizing on the talent, appeal & popularity of Jake. And it's crazy because the same thing happened shortly before with Jake & Macho Man.

As for a guy who got squashed in the ring, Hogan never "squashed" anybody but jobbers. Only guy I can think of that might be remotely close to what the OP is looking for is King Kong Bundy, as aside from squashing midgets, his match with Hogan at one of the worst WM's of all time was the highlight of his career. He went from that to wrestling midgets to getting beat by Hogan again and left the WWF for nearly 7 years. From what I understand, he was a pretty big deal in Texas.
Yes Bundy worked main events in Texas, but he also worked main events in the NWA Georgia, and Memphis territory. The op was looking for guys whose careers were squashed by Hogan. I would argue Bundy's was made by Hogan.
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Old 09-27-2012, 12:04 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Orndorff, Studd, Bundy, Kamala, Earthquake, DiBiase, Haku, Kevin Sullivan, and Beefcake all reached their highest peak of their careers by wrestling Hogan. Not one of those guys would agree that they were "fed to Hogan" to the detriment of their careers. They would tell you that those matches with Hogan made their careers, and they got paid their highest amount of money to work with him. Beefcake was Hogan's best bro, and it was Hogan that got him paid by convincing McMahon to bring Ed Leslie into WWF.
Just want to put this out there but Kamala said if it wasn't for Bill Watts, he wouldn't have his home, as Bill allowed Kamala to make some big money.

Kamala has gone on record and said that he never really made any money in WWF and had to resort to driving trucks for a living. So while a match with Hogan might have been the biggest highlight of his career, financially, he was raped. He even said over a 2 year span in WWE, he only made $13,000.

And I'm more convinced that Big John Studd's peak was wrestling Andre at the first WM, who was still somewhat regarded as a bigger star than Hogan.


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Yes Bundy worked main events in Texas, but he also worked main events in the NWA Georgia, and Memphis territory. The op was looking for guys whose careers were squashed by Hogan. I would argue Bundy's was made by Hogan.
I respectfully disagree.

Mainly because it seems like the thought of having a match with Hogan makes careers and in some ways, it does. But after repeatedly jobbing to Hogan, Bundy left the WWF and didn't return until 1994, where left again a year later. IMO, it was such a huge decline to go from main eventing WM with Hogan to feuding with midgets a year later. I'm just basing it on the thought that some people really dropped on the card after getting beat by Hogan and aside from his buddies that traveled with him to WCW, none had really spectacular careers afterwards. Kamala got completely fucked over, King Kong Bundy basically jobbed the rest of his career, WWE would always go back on their word with Jake and Piper has gone on record many times explaining why he never jobbed to Hogan. Out of all those guys he faced in the 80s, Piper was the only 1 that had a rather successful career after that highlight of a moment.

So depending on how you view it, many were "fed" to Hogan based on the success they had elsewhere and the decline on the card after they came out of the Hogan program.

I liked having these discussions with you because I know you can respectfully debate with me and can produce a good rebuttal. And unlike most people that throw out random names, I at least want to add insight into my choices to help further what I really mean.

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Old 09-27-2012, 04:21 AM   #24 (permalink)
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As GreenLawler put it out, Jake was one of the kind of cases that I was looking for too but a direct case I was looking more for was in the line of Hercules Hernandez (I could be terribly wrong for this is based on what I read not what I experienced) who looked good, had a good physique and was coming up as a good power wrestler squashing jobbers akin to Goldberg/Ryback but once Hogan broke out of the rack in the main event he started going to mid carding and finally was completely buried by Warrior who broke his chain; though he had a long career after Hogan, it was nothing close to main event push that he would have got any time later or without Hogan around.

I am totally unqualified to discuss and elaborate on these cases as I was not watching wrestling in the Hogan period at all. All I have seen of Hogan was the old guy who carried the WCW belt which everyone wanted off him and I was glad when Goldberg did it; esp coz Goldberg did it and when I read about Hercules, i felt that a similar thing could have happened ten years before when Hogan started to get stale.
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Ric Flair in WCW. Poor Naitch got his ass beat by Hogan
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Zeus. The guy came in for Summerslam and lasted until the end of 1989, at which point he did nothing in wrestling until 1996, when WCW brought him in to feud with Hogan for a few months, then he left then as well.

So basically, this guy was brought into the Fed and WCW for the sole reason of being sacrificed to Hogan, since once Hogan beat him in their short feud, he was gone.
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Can't believe people aren't saying Sting. Starrcade was a tragedy.
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Old 09-28-2012, 10:34 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Can't believe people aren't saying Sting. Starrcade was a tragedy.
Well, you must not have read the OP.

Sting wasn't fed to Hogan, he had a great career before and a great career after. He was one of the few guys has never decisively lost a singles match to Hogan in his career.

So, I don't see how you can say he was sacrificed to Hogan, when he never lost a match or lost his spot to him and was always treated as a bigger deal, except for 1996-1997.
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Just want to put this out there but Kamala said if it wasn't for Bill Watts, he wouldn't have his home, as Bill allowed Kamala to make some big money.

Kamala has gone on record and said that he never really made any money in WWF and had to resort to driving trucks for a living. So while a match with Hogan might have been the biggest highlight of his career, financially, he was raped. He even said over a 2 year span in WWE, he only made $13,000.

And I'm more convinced that Big John Studd's peak was wrestling Andre at the first WM, who was still somewhat regarded as a bigger star than Hogan.




I respectfully disagree.

Mainly because it seems like the thought of having a match with Hogan makes careers and in some ways, it does. But after repeatedly jobbing to Hogan, Bundy left the WWF and didn't return until 1994, where left again a year later. IMO, it was such a huge decline to go from main eventing WM with Hogan to feuding with midgets a year later. I'm just basing it on the thought that some people really dropped on the card after getting beat by Hogan and aside from his buddies that traveled with him to WCW, none had really spectacular careers afterwards. Kamala got completely fucked over, King Kong Bundy basically jobbed the rest of his career, WWE would always go back on their word with Jake and Piper has gone on record many times explaining why he never jobbed to Hogan. Out of all those guys he faced in the 80s, Piper was the only 1 that had a rather successful career after that highlight of a moment.

So depending on how you view it, many were "fed" to Hogan based on the success they had elsewhere and the decline on the card after they came out of the Hogan program.

I liked having these discussions with you because I know you can respectfully debate with me and can produce a good rebuttal. And unlike most people that throw out random names, I at least want to add insight into my choices to help further what I really mean.
Yeah I don't think we are really disagreeing that much. I would argue that wrestling Hogan in the Main Event in that era was totally different than what the OP wanted. Based on Stranger's previous postings I think he was looking more for the guys whose careers were bright but were smashed by Hogan, allah a Goldberg crushing guys who were just trying to build their careers when they were flattened rarely to be heard of again. I contend that most of these guys were already stars and facing Hogan was their penultimate goal....and it was goal achevied for most of them. Remember this is a completley different era where superstar status was acheived not just based on WWF/WCW.

Kimala, who already was a star in many territories went on to fued with Taker and team with Sika. Bossman also a star before WWF re-grouped and became the companies number 2 face for a while. One Man Gang a territory mainstar headliner transformed into Akheem and got a second run at Hogan. Orndorff put together multiple fueds with Hogan and fueded with Muraco, Piper, others and wrestled as the number 2 face headlining the B shows. Bundy well he was a star and I give you that he faded after his first run with Hogan, man he headlined a Wrestlemania and was not "fed" to Hogan. I remember legitimatly thinking "there going to let Bundy win". If I thought this then, I contend he was not fed to Hogan. Hercules had a decent territory run but he never really fueded with Hogan. It was really simply a series of house shows, the real fued was the Hennan family vs Hogan. Hercules went on to fued with Billy Jack in a somewhat hot fued, then he turned face and was actually for a breif time one of their top faces. Anyways I am going on and on....to me Killer Kahn was maybe fed to Hogan although I still don't think he fits the op criteria based on the fact that the simple fact that he was main eventing in the WWF for a second fued (first one vs Andre years before) means he actually acheived his career high point.

But like I said were really not disagreeing on anything but the way we are defining "fed" which to me is simply having a up and coming young career only to be sqaushed and dissapearing.
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In the WWF. NONE. Back then, every talent was happy just to work with Hogan because of the money. Hogan went 6 years without doing a clean job. Anybody going over Hogan was unthinkable in the 80's. Really only happened so he could film No Holds Barred. There were no guaranteed contracts back in those days. The only guarantee is you would make big bucks if you worked a program with Hogan.

The only real arguable guy would be Sid. Sid was getting bigger pops than Hogan and Hogan was actually getting some boos. Hypothetically Hogan shouldve put him over since he was leaving. They couldve had a babyface vs babyface match. But looking at Sid's track record, can't call that one a sacrifice.

In WCW- Flair and Sting

Flair was thoroughly embarrassed and phased out by the big star from up North.

Sting never had a noteworthy big match in WCW after Starrcade. I would argue his next biggest match was at the last match at Nitro. Sting beat Hogan at Starrcade and that's it. No momentum, no boom period for WCW.
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