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View Poll Results: Greatest wrestler before the Golden Age?

Lou Thesz 16 27.59%
Bruno Sammartino 14 24.14%
Bob Backlund 2 3.45%
Gorgeous George 7 12.07%
Buddy Rogers 4 6.90%
Verne Gagne 1 1.72%
Antonino Rocca 1 1.72%
Freddy Blassie 0 0%
Billy Graham 0 0%
Ray Stevens 0 0%
Bobo Brazil 0 0%
Harley Race 5 8.62%
Pat O Connor 0 0%
Killer Kowalski 1 1.72%
Mil Mascaras 0 0%
Jerry Lawler 1 1.72%
Jesse Ventura 1 1.72%
Andre the Giant 3 5.17%
Midred Burke 1 1.72%
any others please mention 1 1.72%
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Old 09-08-2012, 10:17 AM   #51 (permalink)
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I am reading lots of wrestling articles about wrestling recently

Golden Age-1950's
Golden Era-1980's

I meant Golden Era but typed Age instead

But seeing how so many people thought my question referred to wrestling before 1984,I don't think it is a problem here
Golden Era/age in Wrestling in particular was the same period.
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Old 09-08-2012, 10:26 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Golden Era/age in Wrestling in particular was the same period.
If you go deep into history books,Golden Age is commonly the 1950's with Gorgeous George as a prominent star back then.

Golden Era is Hogan era

But due to the use of the common word 'Golden';There is confusion
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If you go deep into history books,Golden Age is commonly the 1950's with Gorgeous George as a prominent star back then.

Golden Era is Hogan era

But due to the use of the common word 'Golden';There is confusion
Ok, It seems you're right. I looked it up and Gorgeous George was the biggest star of that period.
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Not sure but I picked Bruno Sammartino anyway.
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Old 09-08-2012, 10:36 PM   #55 (permalink)
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If you go deep into history books,Golden Age is commonly the 1950's with Gorgeous George as a prominent star back then.

Golden Era is Hogan era

But due to the use of the common word 'Golden';There is confusion
The only refrences I have found that list the Golden Era as Hogan's 80's are on Wikipedia and a few fan sites...far from historical accuracy. I know this is a dead horse so this is the last I will post about it. What wrestling historians are calling the 80's the Golden Era? If they are then someone needs to give them a clue, because the name is already taken. Age/era....zero difference.

The only reason I am so insistant is this is just another example of the WWF re-writting the history books.
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My vote went to Buddy. George ushered in the showmanship aspect launching the first golden era, Thesz was a consummate pro...Nature Boy was a perfect blend of both.

Also, disappointed to see no Nick Bockwinkel on the poll.
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The only refrences I have found that list the Golden Era as Hogan's 80's are on Wikipedia and a few fan sites...far from historical accuracy. I know this is a dead horse so this is the last I will post about it. What wrestling historians are calling the 80's the Golden Era? If they are then someone needs to give them a clue, because the name is already taken. Age/era....zero difference.

The only reason I am so insistant is this is just another example of the WWF re-writting the history books.
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Bro, you said you didn't know who RIC FLAIR was until 2005 so you're making a list of stars from the 60s and 70s?

Anyway, from the poll I will take Bruno because nobody drew more money than him and he was an icon of his time, not only in the business. Besides, you put names like Mil Mascaras who is a legend in Mexico and not Inoki, Rikidozan and El Santo? Who were even bigger in their countries, including Mexico.

Thesz, George, Superstar, Andre etc and who I mentioned above are all contenders. That's if you do it from the 60s and not go back even more to guys like Frank Gotch and Jim Londos.
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Drawing money can't be the only deciding factor in these lists in my opinion. I understand why so many of you use the numbers because numbers aren't subjective while judging talent is, but I don't think that's the end all on these lists unless the wrestler left an indelible mark on the industry like a Hogan or an Austin.

Even when I analyze Hogan and Austin's placement on these lists I look at the talent they possess/ed and their superstar qualities that were used to accomplish what they did to build their legacies. Hogan had so much charisma and knew how to utilize his connection with live audiences all over the world like no other. He was the World Wrestling Federation's perfect face of the company in the 80's not only because of the incredible marketing machine it was but also because of Hogan's look, personality, and charisma. In Austin's case, again, it was a great character excellently played by a guy who was one of the best talkers and workers in the ring ever, and that generated big business. However, those two are special cases because the talent, the timing and the marketing all came together. Hogan and Austin deserve to be at the Top of anyone's greatest wrestlers list as well as The Rock.

However, I wouldn't agree with a statement such as Ultimate Warrior or Goldberg being greater draws than Shawn Michaels or Bret Hart makes them greater wrestlers/bigger legends. Absolutely cannot. This is not me saying money doesn't matter because money is a huge part of the business but talent, influence, and a rich legacy in the industry also matter and should be factored into these discussions. Bruno has all three and so does Thesz. Bruno drew a lot of money for WWF in New York and had the longest WWF Championship reign ever. That's commendable to his historic career. Thesz also had lengthy and successful reigns as the NWA World Heavyweight Champion. Bruno wasn't nearly as talented as Thesz as a worker in the ring but Thesz wasn't some curtain jerker compared to Bruno either. As I stated in an earlier post, Thesz traveled the United States and internationally as NWA Champion to attract crowds and build prestige to the title and pro wrestling.

I don't want to take too much away from Bruno Sammartino's credit because he's a bonafide legend and he deserves mention amongst the greatest names, but I'm not going to place him at the very top of Golden Age wrestlers list over Lou Thesz. Bruno may have been a bigger star than Thesz but he is not the greater wrestling legend imo.
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Bruno Sammartino was the man
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