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Old 09-07-2012, 12:12 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Nwo without Hogan is:Colossal Failure
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Well the rumor of Sting originally planned to be the third member sounds fucking awesome, IMO. Same goes for Bret Hart.
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The Outsiders were mega hot before Hogan and already started to move business at a huge rate. Hogan joined Hall and Nash BECAUSE they were so big and effective, the moment Hall cut his "You want a war?" promo, there was a significant jump in the gates and Nitro started to increase the audience and beat RAW every week. Yes, Hogan was the final piece to send it to the next level, but they were a big success before that and created huge buzz.
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i thought that Sting was a back up choice to Hogan being the 3rd member...
Sting was actually the first choice to be the third member of The New World Order with Bret Hart as the back up choice if WCW were able to sign him from WWE as they tried during the middle of 1996 around the same time as they had signed Scott Hall and Kevin Nash. From what Kevin Nash and Eric Bischoff have both said it seems Sting didn't want to turn heel and be the third member whilst Bret Hart didn't make up his mind on signing with WCW in time and Hulk Hogan who had just accepted he was being booed said he'd like to be the third member and was then kept off tv leading in to Bash At The Beach.

On topic though and i don't think anyone else being the third member would have made anywhere near the impact on the business that Hulk Hogan did by joining and turning heel in the process because he was still the biggest name in the business at that point in time and had never been heel since being a top star. In between Scott Hall debuting in May of 1996 and Starrcade in 1997 i don't think the storyline could have been any better outside of too many people joining The New World Order as i believe it was best with Hollywood Hogan, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, Randy Savage, The Giant, Ted DiBiase, Syxx, Scott Norton and Buff Bagwell but all in all it was arguably the greatest angle of all time.
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Old 09-07-2012, 09:10 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Sting was actually the first choice to be the third member of The New World Order with Bret Hart as the back up choice if WCW were able to sign him from WWE as they tried during the middle of 1996 around the same time as they had signed Scott Hall and Kevin Nash. From what Kevin Nash and Eric Bischoff have both said it seems Sting didn't want to turn heel and be the third member whilst Bret Hart didn't make up his mind on signing with WCW in time and Hulk Hogan who had just accepted he was being booed said he'd like to be the third member and was then kept off tv leading in to Bash At The Beach.

On topic though and i don't think anyone else being the third member would have made anywhere near the impact on the business that Hulk Hogan did by joining and turning heel in the process because he was still the biggest name in the business at that point in time and had never been heel since being a top star. In between Scott Hall debuting in May of 1996 and Starrcade in 1997 i don't think the storyline could have been any better outside of too many people joining The New World Order as i believe it was best with Hollywood Hogan, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, Randy Savage, The Giant, Ted DiBiase, Syxx, Scott Norton and Buff Bagwell but all in all it was arguably the greatest angle of all time.
Bret as the third man would had been so special. It could had worked out very well. I mean coming off the screw job would been huge
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Who knows? Sting turning heel couldve had a huge effect on wrestling as well. Not as big as Hogans did but you never know. I dont know how successful it would have been because Hogan would be the main face they went against. Hogan still wouldve had to change. No way the cheesy Red andYellow would have got more cheers then the cool, hip NWO. Maybe Hogan wouldve went like he did in 2000 against the New Blood. I think the nwo would have still been good, not just as good. Instead of Sting Or Hogan, I sometimes wonder how good Savage wouldve done as the main guy. He couldve said he did it because Hogan always had his spotlight and this is his last chance to take him out.
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it was the perfect storm, hogan joining was shocking and he played hollywood so good

sting would not have had the same impact, if bret signed in mid 96 and it was him, it would of been shocking to see another wwe guy jump ship but it would not have had the same impact, especially long term

plain and simple, hall/nash/hogan just clicked, outsiders were the cool bad guys and hogan turning was shocking, hogan was a legit leader who could be the "nwo" champ while nash/hall take care of the tag teams and other business

if someone like a hbk was the leader i think they would of got cheered like dx, hogan was the key for them staying true heels, fans hated him and if was hall/nash/syxx it would of turned into a dx group

hogan was the biggest name, he gave them legit power as the leader, with him they became a legit force, hogan is the biggest name in wrestling like him or not, his speeches when he said he made pro wrestling where not really a lie, thats what made it click, he was the guy that really made wrestling a household name and he let everyone know about it

casuals could watch and be shocked that mister hogan was "hollywood"
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it was the perfect storm, hogan joining was shocking and he played hollywood so good

sting would not have had the same impact, if bret signed in mid 96 and it was him, it would of been shocking to see another wwe guy jump ship but it would not have had the same impact, especially long term

plain and simple, hall/nash/hogan just clicked, outsiders were the cool bad guys and hogan turning was shocking, hogan was a legit leader who could be the "nwo" champ while nash/hall take care of the tag teams and other business
Yeah, I'd agree. The main selling point of nWo became Hogan's big heel turn. After a hundred million years as a babyface superhero, nobody ever expected Hogan to go rougue. It was the ultimate turn. As exciting as they were, I always saw nWo simply as a frame to build Hogan's heel turn around.
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The Outsiders were mega hot before Hogan and already started to move business at a huge rate. Hogan joined Hall and Nash BECAUSE they were so big and effective, the moment Hall cut his "You want a war?" promo, there was a significant jump in the gates and Nitro started to increase the audience and beat RAW every week. Yes, Hogan was the final piece to send it to the next level, but they were a big success before that and created huge buzz.
To be fair I think people do tend to forget that even before Bash at the Beach that the Outsiders storyline was major hot and full of major buzz. The NWO would have still been a successful storyline without Hogan but not as big in the annals of wrestling history as it did become with Hogan. Without Hogan the storyline would not have lasted for years but I have to admit it would have been interesting to see how it would have turned out because it was still a very hot and popular angle even before Hogan took over.
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Yeah, I'd agree. The main selling point of nWo became Hogan's big heel turn. After a hundred million years as a babyface superhero, nobody ever expected Hogan to go rougue. It was the ultimate turn. As exciting as they were, I always saw nWo simply as a frame to build Hogan's heel turn around.
It is a shame we never get a heel turn like that again in wrestling
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