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Old 08-23-2012, 05:06 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Forgotten Legends33: Robert Howard

Also popularly known as Hardcore Holly, he, along with Steve Blackman, Crash Holly and Mick Foley brought some attention and credibility to the Hardcore title having won it seven times. Starting his career in 1987 as Superstar Bob Holly in WWO having won heavyweight as well as tag team titles over there, he moved on to SMW in 1991 as Hollywood Bob Holly from where he got pulled into WWF as a jobber.

His initial gimmick was that of "Spark Plugg" Holly (wonder who came up with the names) when he teamed up with 1-2-3 kid and won his first title in 1995, the tag team championship losing it the next day to the smoking gunns.

Then he went on to form the New Midnight Express with Bart Gunn becoming Bombastic Bob winning the NWA world Tag Titles in 1998. Still not cutting through, he joined the J.O.B Squad with Mankind, Al Snow, Blue Meanie, Scorpio and Gillberg and helped Mankind around before the JOB squad broke up with three of the wrestlers released and Hardcore Holly winning the Hardcore title for the first time from Al snow.

He then teamed with Crash Holly, his kayfabe cousin, and won tag titles again other than going on to win the hardcore title 6 more times. But as things finally started going, he injured his shoulder and was taken out of action.

He came back in 2002 as a heel feuding with then face Randy Orton but again broke his neck when a power bomb botched by Brock Lesnar with both parties blaming each other for it. When he came back after a year, he challenged and got his only title shot against Brock Lesnar in a losing effort.

Until 2007, he was in a hunt for one title or other losing every time because of constant nagging injuries before he shifted to ECW program. Here he debuted as a heel facing RVD in a extreme rules match before getting severely injured during a suplex but carrying on the match to it's planned conclusion in spite of early injury getting a standing ovation from ECW fans over the face RVD. He then became a tweener and showed grit by enduring the Anaconda vice from CM Punk and finally gave him his first loss in over 6 months breaking a streak. He again was set on a chase for the heavyweight title which never fruition.

He came back to smackdown but more in a veteran role where he mentored Cody Rhodes and they went on to have a tag team run before Rhodes turned heel and defeated Holly who was ultimately released.

With 12 titles to his name and after putting in 15 years as a solid worker in WWE in career spanning over 23 years and with a list of injuries and going stiff against opponents being one of the well recognized mid-carders in WWE, Hardcore Holly is/will be a forgotten legend.
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Default Re: Forgotten Legends33: Robert Howard

The Holly Cousins were awesome for a undercard team.

The injuries were a big part of his career. Do you think he could ever win a world title, if not the injuries?
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Default Re: Forgotten Legends33: Robert Howard

Holly seemed like a guy that was going to have a job forever, like Val Venis and Scotty 2 Hotty but all of a sudden they got released one by one. He's had a decent career but I definitely wouldn't classify him as a legend. Does having a long WWF career make him a legend? I mean look at the gap between 1995 to 1998 of doing something significant. His best work was definitely as a heel, it just fits his personality. His run in ECW was surprisingly fun, I remember he got his brutal cut on his back during one of his first matches there. His run with Cody sucked. Don't miss the guy. Was pretty good in the ring (I think better than most people think), but flat on the mic and he didn't have the greatest look either, so not World Title material.
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The Holly Cousins were awesome for a undercard team.

The injuries were a big part of his career. Do you think he could ever win a world title, if not the injuries?
Atleast in ECW, yes once he got over with completing the match in spite of an early injury but I personally feel he got caught in the wrong era where gimmicks, promo and mic skills mattered more than toughness and wrestling. Even so, he could have used a Shooter Heel gimmick along with an eloquent manager. Injuries and lack of proper gimmick in a gimmick oriented era killed him.

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Holly seemed like a guy that was going to have a job forever, like Val Venis and Scotty 2 Hotty but all of a sudden they got released one by one. He's had a decent career but I definitely wouldn't classify him as a legend. Does having a long WWF career make him a legend? I mean look at the gap between 1995 to 1998 of doing something significant. His best work was definitely as a heel, it just fits his personality. His run in ECW was surprisingly fun, I remember he got his brutal cut on his back during one of his first matches there. His run with Cody sucked. Don't miss the guy. Was pretty good in the ring (I think better than most people think), but flat on the mic and he didn't have the greatest look either, so not World Title material.
Yeah, as I said above, he was in the wrong era where what you do outside your match matters as much if not more than what you do in the match. He was not as talented as say Arn Anderson but had more talent than a few guys who made it to the top. A shooter gimmick with a good manager would have done wonders. Brock, for as good as he is in fighting, needed Heyman to do the talking when he was launched. Holly never got that opportunity.

As far as legend status goes, it is debatable for he is not a outright legend and at the same time was not a also-there having challenged for WWE as well as ECW title after his injury prone period had started and did the Hardcore title a world of good along with the other guys mentioned above.

As you said, neither do I miss him, but he was a good worker and cannot overlook that.

P.S: He had a beautiful Drop Kick too.
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Default Re: Forgotten Legends33: Robert Howard

There was a period of time in 2004-2007 where Bob was getting some amazing pops. I remember Orlando Jordan was holding the US title and not getting any reaction. Bob came close a couple times but never won it. They shouldve had him win it and feud with Benoit.
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Default Re: Forgotten Legends33: Robert Howard

Wow....I am going to just be honest here. I think Bob Holly belongs in a Deep Sleepers thread more than Forgotten Legends.

The first time I saw Bob Holly he was teaming with Pat Rose in Memphis as a jobber tag team. This was probably 1988? The guy had a long career before the WWF. Never liked the guy.

From what I understand he was a bully backstage who had some less than moral habits.

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Wow....I am going to just be honest here. I think Bob Holly belongs in a Deep Sleepers thread more than Forgotten Legends.

The first time I saw Bob Holly he was teaming with Pat Rose in Memphis as a jobber tag team. This was probably 1988? The guy had a long career before the WWF. Never liked the guy.

From what I understand he was a bully backstage who had some less than moral habits.
I felt he belonged to legends series for he was always that close to the world title before getting injured out, a case of misfortune than lack of talent.
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Default Re: Forgotten Legends33: Robert Howard

I feel WWE could have did more with him, especially with the Brock Lesnar feud.

I enjoyed him in the JOB Squad and during his feud with Al Snow but people seem to forget that by the turn of the century, Holly was in his late 30s. With a roster as stacked as theirs, it would be hard to really make him a main eventer. But at the same time, he should have been used better. The Hardcore Holly character really made his career, after horrible runs as "Spark Plugg" and Bombastic Bob.
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