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Old 11-11-2012, 05:02 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Man have standards dropped.
What do you mean? That was one hell of a match and probably the best I've seen Kane in. Just because the build-up sucked doesn't mean the match did.
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Old 11-11-2012, 05:06 PM   #42 (permalink)
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I'm not a fan of Taker's gimmick or hell the Undertaker for that matter but he did put on great Mania matches. Kane just half arses it week in week out. Why complain? He gets paid a great amount for being average and compared to HHH or Taker he hasn't had the same workload or the same amount of hardcore matches. I respect Taker but I dont respect Kane. All I feel is anger when I see him. I see 10 years of mediocrity. I disagree that masked Kane would of got old. There is always going to be a new generation of audience. Taking off the mask would be like Rey Mysterio unmasking. There's character development and then there is destroying the character.
Rey did unmask and didn't hurt him his character or legacy one bit, they put it back on him and pretended like he never took if off. Its the same deal for Kane, although his span of time wasnt as long it doesnt seem to bother anyone too much.

Not gonna argue with you about moves and staleness because you just seem to Hate Kane as a whole. But back to the OP topic, i would have to say its either Jake Roberts Or Scott Hall who have just made pure asses of themselves and the people that loved them
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Old 11-11-2012, 05:16 PM   #43 (permalink)
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What do you mean? That was one hell of a match and probably the best I've seen Kane in. Just because the build-up sucked doesn't mean the match did.
The match was like 10 minutes longer than it should of been. Not bad but not exactly A standard. Even the crowd was absolutely dead. The Smackdown match between them was far better. Shorter and straight to the point.
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The match was like 10 minutes longer than it should of been. Not bad but not exactly A standard. Even the crowd was absolutely dead. The Smackdown match between them was far better. Shorter and straight to the point.
I disagree. 18 minutes was perfectly fine (seriously, why would you want a 8 minute long title match?) and both did enough to make it work. And I don't remember any problems with the crowd. They were perfectly fine. No, it's not a 5 star match but I give it 4.25 which is very high. When did they have a Smackdown match? It must be from 2000-2001 because both were on Raw in 04. Noting the length thing, we might just have a different idea of good matches. For me, I like them (specially as title matches) when they are in 10-20 space and a lot of the time, when matches are under 10 minutes and good, it feels like they end too soon.

And that aside, you contradict your earlier comment when you said every Kane match since JD 01 has been "poor or mediocre". You admit it's "not bad" which would suggest it's at least above "poor or mediocre" unless my definition of those words are different to yours...
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By the way I still enjoy benoit's work now and then. I will never forget his epic matches.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:18 AM   #47 (permalink)
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Ric Flair and Hulk Hogan

Both of them will be wrestling well into their 90's.
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Benoit and Iron Sheik. I would say New Jack too but he wouldn't have a legacy regardless.
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Jake The Snake
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Kane is a bad example, he's still over and respected.

I don't think Backlund really hurt his legacy that much. He came back and lasted a long time in the Rumble to everyone's delight. Won the WWF Title again and yes he got squashed by a new big guy. He then turned into a looney. Doesn't matter, I think people still remember his long ass WWF Title reign well.

Flair is well on his way, he still gets respected everywhere he goes but he needs to become the GM on RAW or something, settle down and never get in the ring again.

Hall has tarnished his legacy. He went from being one of the hottest commodities in the business to doing nothing of note for years in WCW, even appearing drunk at times on live TV, to a druggy and alcoholic sitting at home all day.

Hogan has made too big of an impact on people's lives in the 80's and 90's that even a shitty reality show, his son crashing his car, his divorce with his wife, and this recent sex tape don't even hurt his character (only his wallet ). He has definitely tried to tarnish it though.

Matt Hardy to an extend.

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Russo had a legacy? How did Bischoff ruin his?
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