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Re: Why did McMahon bury Vader?

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To be fair Cornette shoots on everyone. He was also one of the biggest ass kissers of the same guys back in 90s.
Not HBK, he had promos trashing the HBK's of the wrestling world that even aired on RAW's in '97.
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Re: Why did McMahon bury Vader?

The guy was a WCW creation was a main reason. Would have been nice to see him get a world title run though.

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Re: Why did McMahon bury Vader?

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From the minute Vader debuted he was playing 2nd fiddle to Michaels. Some people say McMahon resented the fact that Vader was a WCW creation. But if that was the case he wouldn't have pushed Sid Vicious. And that doesn't sound McMahon-ish either, he's a killer business man. It seems Michaels played a big role, which I don't get either since Michaels helped Sid get over. And Vader was much more talented than Sid.

Big fuck up by the WWF. And also a big fuck up by WCW for letting him go. Orndorff was nowhere near as over as Vader and his health was going downhill too. They took Sid back in 99 but not Vader. Weird.
Vader could had been so much bigger in WWE. I feel he could and should have had a fun as world champion

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Re: Why did McMahon bury Vader?

HBK was to blame according to Cornette. He said HBK and Vader were supposed to feud and work together at SummerSlam, Survivor Series and Royal Rumble but HBK whined about Vader being really stiff etc. I guess that's what made WWE go with Sid for HBK's opponent at Survivor Series and Royal Rumble. Sucked for Vader. He may have got the WWF title run that Sid got if HBK were more willing to work with him.
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HBK was to blame according to Cornette. He said HBK and Vader were supposed to feud and work together at SummerSlam, Survivor Series and Royal Rumble but HBK whined about Vader being really stiff etc. I guess that's what made WWE go with Sid for HBK's opponent at Survivor Series and Royal Rumble. Sucked for Vader. He may have got the WWF title run that Sid got if HBK were more willing to work with him.
So it was just Shawn Michaels being a crybaby? Sad. Vader could have been a world champion some day

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So it was just Shawn Michaels being a crybaby? Sad. Vader could have been a world champion some day
Vader should had been given a chance could had been so good as a champion

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Re: Why did McMahon bury Vader?

If you watch that Cornette vid, it was pretty much covered the reasons why he never done as well in the WWF as well as he should have. The main one being that he got off to a bad start by refusing to change his name to the 'Mastodon' which would have meant that the company would have made more money from his merchandise if they pushed him. After his recent return to Raw, Vader admitted himself that he should have went with McMahon's suggestion and kept the Vader name for his work in Japan (he had already burned his bridges with WCW).

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His WCW past: Was definately something that attracted the WWF, but remember Kevin Nash never rose above midcard status in WCW and enjoyed a huge push shortly after joining the WWF. Not being their creation was not as much a factor as not being able to repackage the character and make as much money as possible from him.

His stiffness: Pissed off the one guy that you didn't want to piss off at the time. However, if there is money to be made then the WWF could have easily worked around that. After all, they pushed other guys with a similar reputation like RVD & Benoit. McMahon once said that his favourite wrestler on the roster was Fit Finlay (around 2005/6). Being stiff is not a problem as long as you bring other things to the table as guys like that have their uses in any wrestling company.

Shawn Michaels: See all of the above. HBK knew Vader's card was marked already and could be as much of a prick he wanted with him. As Cornette said, Leon White is actually quite a sensitive guy so the likes of Hogan & Michaels could run rings around him in regards to politics.
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