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How Vince could have kept the original ECW alive

ECW lost its TV deal in the summer of 2000. Vince McMahon had bankrolled it to an extent for years and Paul Heyman had accumulated debts of 1.8 million dollars, which Vince paid off becoming the owner of the brand. But the debts came from touring the USA, running PPVs and a cable TV show.

That is a small amount for a company which breeded or nurtured dozens of good performers and created a style which everybody copied. Vince could have lent the syndicated TV slot which aired Jakked to Heyman, who would concentrate on touring the north east. The PPVs could have been cut to four per year.

As ECW died WWE signed their biggest stars: RVD, Lynn, Credible, Rhino, Tajiri, Dreamer and Spike. They alread had Taz, Raven, Saturn and Richards hanging around the lower midcard. Then they signed Mike Awesome and Lance Storm. That is a powerful roster to run a small promotion.

All of these stars would have been on the WWE payrole, as would Heyman. But the initiative would be that he'd receive a percentage of any future profits, given creative control and the use of development acts, who would benefit from working a non WWE style.

It would have been bigger than Ring of Honor but smaller than TNA. An unofficial development league.
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Re: How Vince could have kept the original ECW alive

The problem is that Vince would never give creative control over to heyman. Look at the failures of the new ecw. That's because if Vince owns it he wouldn't be able to fucking stand not sticking his hands on it and that's why it couldn't survive. With Vince the owner it was going to be destroyed. And, ecw was my favorite promotion when I was younger. I remember staying up past midnight to see it on some obscure network that I don't think even exists anymore. The only way an ecw style promotion could survive would be for a crazy rich person that's hell bent on pushing it until it reaches success, but it wouldn't survive if it's just to make money.
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Re: How Vince could have kept the original ECW alive

ECW only would have stayed alive if Paul Heyman had 100% control. Without him (and to an extent Tod Gordon), ECW was just your average indy promotion. ECW's problem wasn't that they lost their TV deal, IMO, their problems began when they got the TV deal. Anybody that really watched ECW knows that the VHS tapes & Hardcore TV were a million times better than ECW on TNN. Heyman mismanaged money and supposedly had a gambling problem, which didn't help matters and Vince was already financially keeping ECW afloat.

IMO, there is no way ECW could have survived. Eventually, they would have a brand new roster, which is no different than the modern day NXT. ECW was a popular fad that, like the AE, ran it's course and was truly good in those days.

I do feel that Vince would have benefited more from keeping ECW around over WCW. I just don't see how ECW would have survived without Heyman but at the same time, he was the big reason they died in the first place.
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Re: How Vince could have kept the original ECW alive

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ECW's problem wasn't that they lost their TV deal, IMO, their problems began when they got the TV deal. Anybody that really watched ECW knows that the VHS tapes & Hardcore TV were a million times better than ECW on TNN.
The TNN deal is just so ridiculous. Heyman explained that they did no promotional work for ECW. They didn't even air commercials to interest new viewers. You'd think that a network, that wasn't exactly the most successful at the time, signing a major wrestling promotion to a TV deal would do all they could to bring in viewers.


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Re: How Vince could have kept the original ECW alive

Only thing WWE could have done for ECW was just keep on funding ECW and let them run like they usually did(but maybe just airing Raw/PPV commercials during ECW broadcast), don't think anything else could have happened.

Bigger question that has been asked alot, would be "What if they kept original WCW alive". WWE just buys out WCW but kept the show running.

What if Vince didn't even announce he bought WCW, and they just ran the show like normal for all of 2001, and then did Invasion in 2002(when NWO came along,HHH returned ect.)

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The TNN deal is just so ridiculous. Heyman explained that they did no promotional work for ECW. They didn't even air commercials to interest new viewers. You'd think that a network, that wasn't exactly the most successful at the time, signing a major wrestling promotion to a TV deal would do all they could to bring in viewers.
ECW was Spike TV (then TNN)'s little "wrestling experiment". To see how well wrestling would do on their network. It was a segway into them ultimately getting WWE to move from USA over to them. ECW was the "guinea pig" so to speak. And they were used, abused and dumped into the gutter like a skanky slut, to make way for the big guys (WWE). It's sad, but true.
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ECW was Spike TV (then TNN)'s little "wrestling experiment". To see how well wrestling would do on their network. It was a segway into them ultimately getting WWE to move from USA over to them. ECW was the "guinea pig" so to speak. And they were used, abused and dumped into the gutter like a skanky slut, to make way for the big guys (WWE). It's sad, but true.
I've read that TNN expected so much from ECW but invested very little into them. Also, they had plans on Taz becoming the face of the company and wanted ECW to really promote him and figured the TV deal would be enough for Taz to sign a long term deal with ECW. But, Taz chose to join WWE, which followed the departure the Dudley Boyz.

Fact is, ECW improved ratings for TNN on Friday nights but the featured product wasn't what Heyman had in mind, which is when he started to speak out against the network. Heyman was really left in a bind with the departures of Taz & The Dudley Boyz, which is who the network wanted the promotion to be built around. Not only that but over the course of the next few months, ECW would lose Raven, Sabu, RVD to injury and Mike Awesome to WCW. Three of those guys left due to financial reasons. That made it hard for Heyman to present a big league product that the network could properly get behind when you had a revolving door of main event talent.

TNN was in negotiations with WWE right after ECW signed and Heyman wants to blame that as the reason for the dismay with the network. It's easy for Heyman to point fingers at whom is to blame for the death of ECW but at the end of the day, it all falls back on him. Stiffing wrestlers on pay, writing bad checks and constantly complaining about being censored by the network sealed his fate. You can't expect to get paid so much money by a network to air your product but expect them to adjust to the way you want to run things, especially when you don't give them a profitable reason why they should fully get behind your product.
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Re: How Vince could have kept the original ECW alive

I think he should've let it to join as the third brand from start. Can you imagine ECW in non-PG era. Well, just forget 2006-2007 WWECW. If they did it in 2001, it could work perfectly.

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I think he should've let Heyman take full control. ECW would've fared much better keeping the hardcore style of wrestling, taping it in Philly, New York, Chicago etc. CM Punk kinda fits that hardcore style too.

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Only thing WWE could have done for ECW was just keep on funding ECW and let them run like they usually did(but maybe just airing Raw/PPV commercials during ECW broadcast), don't think anything else could have happened.

Bigger question that has been asked alot, would be "What if they kept original WCW alive". WWE just buys out WCW but kept the show running.

What if Vince didn't even announce he bought WCW, and they just ran the show like normal for all of 2001, and then did Invasion in 2002(when NWO came along,HHH returned ect.)
Well then it's betting the entire house on all the good WCW talent coming across when their contracts run out and wanting to perform well. Plus are WCW fans really going to enjoy a product that is run according to a WWE ethos, even ignoring the fact that WCW couldn't get a timeslot when Vince did try. I guess Vince wasn't so sure of any of those things and he did known that WCW wasn't going to get any airtime, so he decided to strike while the iron was hot and while the memory of WCW's demise was still pretty fresh. Better to do something quickly and produce a C grade storyline, than risk waiting when he might not be able to resign the talent and the public may have lost interest in WCW.

I mean look at the NWO revival in 2002, it was horrible, dogged with bad luck in terms of fitness etc and then just fell apart. The only interesting thing to come about from it was the revival of Hulkamania for a few months, which was entirely opposite to what they were intending. If they'd waited until 2002 to do the Invasion storyline and Hall/Nash played a big part and Hogan was supposed to be a heel, it would have flopped just as badly as the 2001 version did.

The simple answer is Vince should have just taken a risk, bought out Flair, Goldberg Sting and the NWO then and put them into the Invasion storyline. Then run the Invasion storyline until Wrestlemania, he would have more than made his money back many times over but for some odd reason (especially for that time) Vince was timid and didn't take the risk.

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