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Old 09-11-2012, 09:13 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Default Re: Jerry Lawler: Best Wrestler of the 1980s

When thinking of one of the best, Lawler honestly doesn't even cross my mind.


Not that he totally sucks or anything, but, really....does anyone who isn't an actual fan of his legit think he is one of the best/THE best? I find that hard to believe when there are much, much bigger names that easily overshadow his.


When it comes to commentary, regardless of the last few years, Lawler is ONE of the best. Heenan, Monsoon, and Ventura are better, but Lawler is a great commentator (again, minus the last few years, though he has his moments).
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When thinking of one of the best, Lawler honestly doesn't even cross my mind.


Not that he totally sucks or anything, but, really....does anyone who isn't an actual fan of his legit think he is one of the best/THE best? I find that hard to believe when there are much, much bigger names that easily overshadow his.


When it comes to commentary, regardless of the last few years, Lawler is ONE of the best. Heenan, Monsoon, and Ventura are better, but Lawler is a great commentator (again, minus the last few years, though he has his moments).
Well I for one do think Lawler was one of the greatest of the 80's, and most wrestling historians including Meltzer, Flair, Rhodes, and Snow agree. There has been no one in the history of the business who has done it all like Lawler. He has been a local icon, played the top heel, played the top face, a wiz on the mic during his wrestling career, a booker, a talent scout, a creator of some of the all-time great gimmicks, he has been a commentator, a national star, and a world champion. What star of the 80's did all of that?
For most of the 70's and 80's even into the 90's, he was constantly ranked in PWI'S top ten overall wrestlers, their most popular and at times their most hated rankings.

Flair said as much on CNN today.

Lawler was a main event wrestling draw for 25 years. Who else can say that they had that kind of career longevity? Maybe Flair?.

This thread has a lot of good debate on it, but at the end of the day it just does not change the fact that no matter what fans of the younger generations think of the King, he was an elite star. People who underestimate Lawler's impact, and greatness are either too young to know better, or they grew up in a WWF shell.
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I think it's a huge exaggeration to say that Lawler is the best wrestler of the 80's especially when you had guys like Flair, Steamboat and more importantly the Dynamite Kid in full flow in that decade.
Exageration? The only exageration I see here is people not giving Lawler his due. Sure you can thrown out a few guys who might rank above Lawler in the 80's but the list is very short, like three or four.
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I'd put Flair ahead by a slim margin. Correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not exactly an 80's historian, but did Lawler ever hold the NWA World title? I know he held a ridiculous amount of titles but ever the World strap?
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I'd put Flair ahead by a slim margin. Correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not exactly an 80's historian, but did Lawler ever hold the NWA World title? I know he held a ridiculous amount of titles but ever the World strap?
No, and if you are interested in why with a healthy dose of wrestling history read on.

In 1977 Lawler was wrestling for the NWA Mid-America (which covered parts of about 6 states) territory for Nick Gulas. He got some shots at Brisco, and Race, and Gulas was working on getting his young star a title run. The Lawler NWA title chase angles drew big business. Gulas would bring in guys like Dick the Brusier, Wrestling 2, Mil Mascaras, Bobo Brazil, and Funk billing it as a "winner gets a title shot match". Lawler looked like he was destined for at least a short run. Eventually there was a rift between Gulas and his young booker Jerry Jarrett. Jarrett, Lawler, and other stars hated putting over Nick's son George, and main events with George made less money in the lucrative western (Memphis) end of the territory.

Jarrett split on his own and offered Lawler part of the ownership if he would come with him. Many of the other stars went with them. The territory split in two (The CWA was born). Since the NWA sided with Gulas and sent in stars for the battle, Jarrett reached out to the AWA since Lawler's NWA title shots were such a huge draw he needed something for Lawler to chase. He simply repeated the same angle but Lawler was chasing the AWA title.

A lot of wrestling fans do not remember this era, but at that time the AWA title was considered the second world title and on equal footing as the NWA belt, it was not until probably 80 that the WWF was considered the third world title. So the AWA title really mattered, and their world champ was held in just as high, sometimes higher esteem than the NWA champ and certainly the WWWF champ.

Anyways, Verne was notorius for only wanting to keep the belt on Bockwinkle. Every time Jarret would think he had worked out a deal for a Lawler AWA title run Gagne would back out at the last minute. This caused Jarrett to flirt with the NWA again, (Flair appeared on television once) since Gulas went out of business shortly after the split. However the AWA association put Lawler on the NWA's backburner, and Fritz, Dusty, and the Crocketts were not going to let Lawler jump their boys in line.

Finally in 1988 as the AWA fortunes were fading and as a last gasp Gagne reached out to Jarrett. The CWA was one of the few territories that was still doing decent business during the WWF takover. Lawler held the title and in fact unified it with the World Class title as well after beating Von Erich (World Class had pulled out of the NWA by then as well).

Lawler was the last "legit" AWA champ. After a dispute between Jarrett, Lawler and Gagne, Verne stripped Lawler and watched his company fade away, ending the AWA's tenure as one of the three "World" promotions.

In the end it was the split that probably cost Lawler at least one NWA run. The NWA was not above letting local promotions have a brief title run (Tommy Rich, Kerry Von Erich) for a payoff.

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Default Re: Jerry Lawler: Best Wrestler of the 1980s

I remember reading all about Lawler in the old Apter mags from the early 90s. I never understood how a guy that small could be so great.

The best wrestler from the 80s? Ric Flair
Entertainer? Hulk Hogan
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Well I for one do think Lawler was one of the greatest of the 80's, and most wrestling historians including Meltzer, Flair, Rhodes, and Snow agree. There has been no one in the history of the business who has done it all like Lawler. He has been a local icon, played the top heel, played the top face, a wiz on the mic during his wrestling career, a booker, a talent scout, a creator of some of the all-time great gimmicks, he has been a commentator, a national star, and a world champion. What star of the 80's did all of that?
For most of the 70's and 80's even into the 90's, he was constantly ranked in PWI'S top ten overall wrestlers, their most popular and at times their most hated rankings.

Flair said as much on CNN today.

Lawler was a main event wrestling draw for 25 years. Who else can say that they had that kind of career longevity? Maybe Flair?.

This thread has a lot of good debate on it, but at the end of the day it just does not change the fact that no matter what fans of the younger generations think of the King, he was an elite star. People who underestimate Lawler's impact, and greatness are either too young to know better, or they grew up in a WWF shell.
Well said.

I was a Lawler fan in the 80's during his Memphis/AWA days. It's great to see that others on this forum appreciate his contributions to the biz, especially his pre-WWF years, when he was in his wrestling prime. Awesome thread!
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Probably.

The only people at that level were Flair and Funk.
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