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Old 07-10-2012, 05:05 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Yes Lawler was great, I think him and Funk are the only wrestlers better than Flair at getting a crowd totally, and emotionally involved in a match.

Just my opinion though. Great thread Sir.
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Best in ring ability of the 80s IMO was Ricky Steamboat.
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One thing I never understood is why Lawler never made a bigger impact on the national scene. I understand that he was 42 by the time he hit the WWE in 1992 and that he felt comfortable dominating his own promotion and territory for the better part of 20 years but it seemed like one of the Vince's or the Crockett's would have surely tried to sign Lawler back in the day.

I kind of question why they never did or if it was Lawler that wasn't interested in going.
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One thing I never understood is why Lawler never made a bigger impact on the national scene. I understand that he was 42 by the time he hit the WWE in 1992 and that he felt comfortable dominating his own promotion and territory for the better part of 20 years but it seemed like one of the Vince's or the Crockett's would have surely tried to sign Lawler back in the day.

I kind of question why they never did or if it was Lawler that wasn't interested in going.
I've been watching some 1992 USWA, and in a promo Lawler says "I'm here because I WANT to be. I'd had offers from everyone." I got the impression that wasn't short of a shoot. I think they were out of their MIND not to give him the NWA Title at one point, but it is what it is.

The real WOTD for the 80s is Tarzan Goto anyway.
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Not sure if i can agree on absolute best (i hate making those lists) but still love Lawler and repped for an awesome post, spent a good couple of hours going through some of those vids.
Always grates on me when kids on here bitch about Lawlers current suckiness while adding "he was great in the AE", dammit he was great for a loooooong time before the AE.
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To each his own. I've never been a fan of Lawler, to be honest. Just something about that Southern, good ole boy wrassling style that never appealed to me.
Yep to each his own....but really are you kidding me? really, really....did you ever watch more than a few you tube clips of Memphis wrestling? I have never heard anyone bash Memphis except for people who have NEVER seen it.

I wonder are you an ECW fan? If you are then you like a repackaged version of the classic southern style...Fact is the AWA and old school WWF were boring in the 80's. Nothing harldy EVER happened on live TV.

Memphis, Georgia, Mid-South, Florida, Oregon (despite not being in the south), World Class, and Houston, well thses were good shows. So if you are not a fan of the southern style, well more power to you but you missed the 75% of the watchable television of the era.

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One thing I never understood is why Lawler never made a bigger impact on the national scene. I understand that he was 42 by the time he hit the WWE in 1992 and that he felt comfortable dominating his own promotion and territory for the better part of 20 years but it seemed like one of the Vince's or the Crockett's would have surely tried to sign Lawler back in the day.

I kind of question why they never did or if it was Lawler that wasn't interested in going.
Lawler was the Vince of the Memphis area.....people tend to forget that the Memphis Territory was not just Memphis.....it included most of Tennessee (including Nashville) Kentucky, Southern Illinois, Parts of Missouri, Southern Indiana, Northern Alabama, Northern Mississippi, and even parts of Gerogia.....that was one large territoy.

Lawler viewed himself as competition for those guys until he finally waved the white flag and realized he could not compete with those guys.

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Would the pro Flair fans care to elaborate beyond just simply stating he's in their eyes a more fitting candidate? I get Flair doesn't exactly need a thesis in why he stands to be considered the best in the 80s, but it would be nice to have more answers akin to Kingcal and Walk-In and Dave1981 who at least offered explanations as to why Lawler wasn't as good as Flair to them.




Watch that Lucha match I nominated in the Mexico 2000-2004 thread, total Memphis bloodbath and something I could totally see you loving based of your fondness for the Memphis style.

And don't remind me of that lost Murdoch/Flair broadway, that just sucks so fucking bad.
Finally someone with some real wrestling knowledge! I agree 100% no one and I mean no one was better than Lawler in his prime.....He is without a doubt in the 40 years I have been a fan the single most under-rated wreslter ever.

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Lawler was the Vince of the Memphis area.....people tend to forget that the Memphis Territory was not just Memphis.....it included most of Tennessee (including Nashville) Kentucky, Southern Illinois, Parts of Missouri, Southern Indiana, Northern Alabama, Northern Mississippi, and even parts of Gerogia.....that was one large territoy.

Lawler viewed himself as competition for those guys until he finally waved the white flag and realized he could not compete with those guys.
But, if you look at all the top "territorial" guys if the '80s, they all eventually went on to WWE or NWA in their prime. I mean, Dusty was a God in Florida, Freebirds were HUGE in Texas, Dibiase was a top guy in Mid South but they all left at the height of their popularity in those territories and became bigger stars on a national level.

Whether Lawler was the Vince of the south or not, I still don't understand why he would not jump at the chance of going national and I'm sure he was made offers. Seems like he was happy being the big fish in a small pond. And I'm not saying the Memphis scene was a small pond but compared to it's competition, it really was.

I assume Lawler rather wanted to stay the top guy in his territory, winning the USWA Title nearly 30 times, the CWA Title
over 20 times within 6 years. Seriously, the guy held 168 championships. Seems like after the 10th, he'd realized that he could achieve more on a national level but then again, he wouldn't have had a fraction of those 168 championships.
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But, if you look at all the top "territorial" guys if the '80s, they all eventually went on to WWE or NWA in their prime. I mean, Dusty was a God in Florida, Freebirds were HUGE in Texas, Dibiase was a top guy in Mid South but they all left at the height of their popularity in those territories and became bigger stars on a national level.

Whether Lawler was the Vince of the south or not, I still don't understand why he would not jump at the chance of going national and I'm sure he was made offers. Seems like he was happy being the big fish in a small pond. And I'm not saying the Memphis scene was a small pond but compared to it's competition, it really was.

I assume Lawler rather wanted to stay the top guy in his territory, winning the USWA Title nearly 30 times, the CWA Title
over 20 times within 6 years. Seriously, the guy held 168 championships. Seems like after the 10th, he'd realized that he could achieve more on a national level but then again, he wouldn't have had a fraction of those 168 championships.
I don't think you understand the mindset back then....1. Lawler owned 50% of the territory it was his business..his life. He grew up in Memphis. The owner does not quit to play for the other team....maybe the booker does or the talent but NOT the owner. 2. Memphis until the mid 80's considered itself every bit the equal of the other companies, and it was, they were making bank. 3. Something you may not have considered was his physique. Although Lalwer was not small and he had a decent look back then, he was far from looking like the Hulkster. It was not as important at that time, but Vince is on record saying that Lawler's physique kept him from putting a strap on him in the early 90's. 4. Champs in this era were usually guys who could really go if needed, meaning really wrestle. Lawler as charasmatic, talented and brilliant as he is...well he's not a shooter.This would have kept him from a legit world title run in the 70's and 80's. Yjere's 4 reasons but really reason number one is the main reason the King never left....until the war was over.

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Lawler owned 50% of the territory it was his business..his life...he only left when the war was over....that's why I made the Vince comparison
I know that. But, Lawler stayed the top guy in that territory for over 30 years. Hard to call someone the best when they failed to venture on to bigger and better opponents.
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I know that. But, Lawler stayed the top guy in that territory for over 30 years. Hard to call someone the best when they failed to venture on to bigger and better opponents.
Agreed about the travel, which is why most people have a hard time recognizing his talent....honestly when Lawler left for other territories he had a hard time getting over as a face.

It had a lot to do with the way they brought him in but he did get over as a heel in Polynesian Pro, World Class and of course in the WWF.

However his place in wrestling lore is concrete

His face runs in Georgia, AWA, and Florida were not as well recieved.

Anyone who ranks the greatest of the territorial era without Lawler in the top five is mistaken.

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