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post #81 of 108 (permalink) Old 07-27-2012, 04:47 AM
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Re: The Montreal Screwjob.. Who acted worse?

People to this day sure lack the facts about the screwjob. Vince is in complete fault and let HHH and Shawn influence him. I just don't understand why Vince couldn't get Bret to sign a contract stating that he will not bring the title to Nitro if he was that paranoid.

Ultimately, the screwjob was great for Vince. The Mr. Mcmahon character was born. At the end of the day, Vince didn't see a future with Bret in the direction the company was headed. Bret did not like the direction the company was taking especially with the sexual storylines. At the end of the day, Vince won and has Hart's forgiveness. It's just sad how everything worked out for Bret.
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post #82 of 108 (permalink) Old 07-28-2012, 08:44 AM
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Re: The Montreal Screwjob.. Who acted worse?

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Bret screwed Bret. He really wasn't that special, and to flat-out refuse to drop the title to Shawn. It wasn't like Bret was some fabled Canadian hero. Even though his character was a nationalist, he was far from being straight-up idolized and legit riots happening.

Even though Vince gets ostracized here often about some of his decisions and more appalling nature/attitude [Making fun of JR's Bells palsy], the man is still someone who respected most of his stars [Not having any problems with Flair leaving, as long he dropped the title before he went to WCW.]

But Bret didn't want to drop the title to Shawn, who really was the only wrestler at the time that could hold the belt and be credible. Even though he was a member of The Kliq, Michaels was still a respected wrestler and great champion. I know Hart wanted to stand-up to Michaels horrible behavior, but at the end of the day, its better to be a professional.
Over the years there has been a lot said about the Monteal screwjob. Different opinions obviously have been given throughout that entire process. But calling Bret 'not that special'? Bret Hart is one of the greatest of all time.

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Re: The Montreal Screwjob.. Who acted worse?

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Bret screwed Bret. He really wasn't that special, and to flat-out refuse to drop the title to Shawn. It wasn't like Bret was some fabled Canadian hero. Even though his character was a nationalist, he was far from being straight-up idolized and legit riots happening.

Even though Vince gets ostracized here often about some of his decisions and more appalling nature/attitude [Making fun of JR's Bells palsy], the man is still someone who respected most of his stars [Not having any problems with Flair leaving, as long he dropped the title before he went to WCW.]

But Bret didn't want to drop the title to Shawn, who really was the only wrestler at the time that could hold the belt and be credible. Even though he was a member of The Kliq, Michaels was still a respected wrestler and great champion. I know Hart wanted to stand-up to Michaels horrible behavior, but at the end of the day, its better to be a professional.
Im sure even Vince would disagree with that mate,

and Vincey didn't seems to have an issue with Flair turning up with the WCW belt in the first place...
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Re: The Montreal Screwjob.. Who acted worse?

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Vince. Not for the final decision, but allowing both Bret and Shawn's egos push him around until he had no other option.



Exactly, Vince could have just veto'ed the entire match and find some way to write Bret Hart off. Wrestler's weren't afriad to go to Vince back then because they have other options. Today, wrestler's don't have that type of power to say "I want it my way or else." because it is Vince's way or the highway.

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Bret Hart revealed himself for what he is. He spat at McMahon before a huge PPV audience because he thought it was untenable for him, a Canadian, to lose the WWF title in Canada. When someone who's champ is about to leave the fed, he drops the title. But Hart wanted to drop it on Raw, the coming Monday. When he was tricked, he lost composure. After he'd gone, McMahon adopted a faux image of himself as "Mr McMahon", made up story lines between himself and Micheals, The Rock and Austin, while Hart got lost in the sea of talent at WCW. It was one of the best moves McMahon has made. He won the Monday Night Wars, Hart got injured and had to retire, the WWE bought WCW for 25 thousand dollars and owns the catalogue of video from the NWA, WCW, to the present.

Think it was like 4 million bucks but whatever...
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Bret Hart's contract in late 1997?

i have brets book, and others seem misinformed but let me get this straight, correct me if im wrong

bret in 96 turned down wcw and signed 20 years with wwe

vince wanted out of it in mid 97 or fall of 97

bret wanted to stay and told vince forget about the money, but vince pushed him out the door even saying take wcw's offer

bret was still under contract for a few weeks after the screwjob, which is why he never showed up on nitro the next night

is this all fact, because some fans seem to think bret signed with wcw because he was greedy and he would of showed up on nitro, which is all wrong
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i have brets book, and others seem misinformed but let me get this straight, correct me if im wrong

bret in 96 turned down wcw and signed 20 years with wwe

vince wanted out of it in mid 97 or fall of 97

bret wanted to stay and told vince forget about the money, but vince pushed him out the door even saying take wcw's offer

bret was still under contract for a few weeks after the screwjob, which is why he never showed up on nitro the next night

is this all fact, because some fans seem to think bret signed with wcw because he was greedy and he would of showed up on nitro, which is all wrong
If it came from Bret's hart's Mouth then it's most likely a Lie..


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1. Declined WCW's offer to remain in a then-failing WWE (Really so either Bret's senile or Stupid.. oh i forgot he's both now)
2. Vince helping/encouraging Bret to explore his Options in WCW (sounds bull since if that was the case then Vince won't have had to screw Bret in the first place)
3. Bret still under contract for a few weeks after SSeries? even if that was the case, based on the scum Bret was, he would have showed up on Nitro regardless.

Hogan probably saw how whiny and self absorbed and bitter Bret was in his WWE Tenure and thus Buried him in 1993 (almost Rightfully so)

I also heard a BS that he came up with the ladder match (or at least had the idea to bring it to the WWF) and that shawn just took the idea.
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Re: Bret Hart Contract in late 1997?

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and he would of showed up on nitro, which is all wrong
This is the one point I never got about that whole deal. Brets contract with the WWF ended on November 30th as was said on WWF TV. So how could he have appeared with the WWF title on Nitro the day after the Series, which was November 10th?

If Bret would have appeared on Nitro that day, it would have been breach of contract and Vince could sue Bret and WCW for millions of dollars.
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Re: Bret Hart Contract in late 1997?

Actually In regards to the Vince taking possession of the WWF belt to ensure Bret didn't take it with him to WCW, it should be noted that Hart had a replica belt made for each WWF title reign. He could have easily used one of these when appearing on Nitro. Vince needed him to drop it on TV so he couldn't claim to be the champion.

Here's a quote from Observer '92 about Hart wanting to jump ship as the IC champion early in his career..

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One of the stranger stories of the past week involves the Intercontinental title. Officially, as the storyline goes, Bret Hart went to the ring with a 104 degree fever on Friday night (1/17) in Springfield, MA and lost the title to The Mountie. Mountie in turn dropped the title at the Rumble two days later to Roddy Piper. As has become pretty common knowledge as the week went on, Hart had negotiated and at one point agreed to a deal where he would debut on Tuesday (1/21) at the Clash of the Champions for WCW in Topeka where he'd come out with the Intercontinental title as something of a payback for the WWF bringing in Ric Flair and having him wear what WCW considered their world title belt (of course the situations are completely different in that Flair was fired by WCW after the company attempted to cut an existing contract almost in half, which somehow six months later WCW feels is the WWF's fault for, to the extent they went to court over getting the belt off WWF television shows. So this idea was to gain revenge on the WWF, but the difference is that Hart would be walking out on a valid contract). The fact Hart was losing the title in Springfield was the world's worst-kept secret being that the WWF syndicated shows went out on the satellite Wednesday, which means anyone with a dish (which probably means well over one million potential viewers) would have been able to watch on Wednesday them talk about, in the past tense, in detail, an angle that was going to occur two days later.

It should be noted that the decision made to change the Intercontinental title from Hart to Piper was made weeks ago, before any talks had even started with WCW. So despite rumors to the contrary that are sure to spread, it wasn't a last-minute decision made by Titan to get the belt off Hart for fear he was leaving. If anything, Hart knowing he was going to lose the title may have been an impetus in his exploring the option of a jump. Apparently WCW offered Hart a guaranteed deal that was substantially more than he had been earning as Intercontinental champ. However after apparently agreeing to the deal, Hart had to back off because he realized his contract with the WWF, which he thought had run out, had rolled over and he couldn't give notice for several more months. However, WCW sources indicate that Hart, who had backed out of the deal as of a few days ago, will be coming in after all in not too many months. Hart was promised that after losing the strap to Mountie at a house show that he would be getting it back at Wrestlemania, even if it meant in a babyface match against Piper. However those are the kind of promises in wrestling that aren't often kept. In this case, since word got out on several wrestling 900 numbers over the weekend (which said that Hart would be starting at the Clash on Tuesday, and I'm sure many people, with Hart not appearing at the Rumble--which was to sell the illness and allow Piper to get the match and the strap; believed that confirmed the reports he was jumping) the plan WCW was attempting, Hart probably isn't in exactly the most favorable political position in the WWF right now as a possible lame duck. As far as similar rumors involving Curt Hennig, first off, he's still months away from returning to the ring to begin with. Second, he just signed a new contract as an announcer with the WWF from what I'm told, although he is long-time friends with Rick Rude (they both grew up together in Robbinsdale, MN) and nearly everyone in wrestling is envious of Rude's contract with WCW (rumored to be $300,000 for working 142 dates).
Considering all of this and the circumstances, I'd say Vince was justified in "Screwing" Bret.


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Re: Bret Hart Contract in late 1997?

I wish somehow that Bret would have dropped the belt, and Vince would have still screwed him and it would still be justified.
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