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Old 06-27-2012, 10:16 PM   #61 (permalink)
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If that is the case then somebody tell Bret to shut the fuck up about Hogan refusing to job to him because Hogan also had creative control.
I don't recall Hogan having creative control until he joined WCW.

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Old 06-28-2012, 03:28 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Vince was at fault. Bottom line, Vince and his crush HBK shouldn't have been such sneaky, deceitful bastards.
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Old 06-28-2012, 05:46 AM   #64 (permalink)
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Vince was at fault. Bottom line, Vince and his crush HBK shouldn't have been such sneaky, deceitful bastards.
Vince fancied HBK ages ago, that's why Bret left.
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I think Vince should have given Brett the option to lose the title at a house show or Raw the week before the PPV. Vince should not have had a bunch of crazy clauses written into Bretts contract to begin with. Brett should not have taken himself so seriously. He should have handled the situation differently. They were both in the wrong in my book.
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:16 AM   #66 (permalink)
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Vince breached the contract Bret signed with the WWE. According to various sources, Vince began to defer Bretīs payments indefinetely. He said that Bret could remain with the company and they would honor all the arrangements made, but his salary couldnīt be paid.

He should have negoatiated a new salary with Bret, but what did he do? He encouraged him to reopen negotiations with WCW. Bret could have taken Vince to court because his deferment of payment was a clear violation of the agreement that had been reached between them. He should have and could have won.
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Old 06-30-2012, 01:36 PM   #67 (permalink)
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It seems a lot of people in this thread are forgetting the fact that Bret had creative control for the last 30 days of his contract, so legally he could do whatever he wanted. If he said he didn't want to drop the title to Shawn in Canada then that was well within his rights.

The creative control stipulation in his contract was something that Vince McMahon had himself agreed to. It was a dirty move for him to do what he did and the only reason anybody ever took Vince's side was because they wanted a job with the WWE/to keep their jobs or had it in for Bret.



And this is why wrestlers should never have creative control over their character because Bret could have refused to do the job for HBK. Nobody in today's WWE has that type of power. Say if John Cena or CM Punk refused to do a job today, they would either get suspended or fired on the spot. Vince shouldn't have did what he did though. If Bret didn't want to do the job, then Vince should have found some way to either write him off Survivor Series, or have him give up the belt before he took off to WCW. Yeah Bret said he would have dropped the belt the next night, but what if Bret changed his mind. What if Bret showed up on Nitro the next night after Survivor Series. Bischoff at the time would have done anything to get one up on Vince. In the end, all parties are at fault.
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Are you saying creative control makes for a worse product.? You yourself just said there isn't anyone in the company today with that kind of control.

Coincidence that the product is fucking terrible and that there is no creative control by the workers? I think not

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Old 06-30-2012, 06:48 PM   #69 (permalink)
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Are you saying creative control makes for a worse product.? You yourself just said there isn't anyone in the company today with that kind of control.

Coincidence that the product is fucking terrible and that there is no creative control by the workers? I think not

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I'm going to have to go with Shawn.

Bret may have been a bit of a baby, but he was justified in wanting to leave the company with dignity (and was within his contractual rights to do so).

Vince may have seemed like a selfish egomaniac, but he simply wanted what was best for business, and that's what you have to do in a capitalist society, unfortunately.

Shawn, on the other hand was just a complete cunt as well as a tool in this particular situation and had no justification for acting the way he did around this time in general.

...this is all assuming the "official" history is accurate.
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