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Old 06-24-2012, 07:47 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Default Re: The Montreal Screwjob.. Who acted worse?

Bret could have even been an arse and refused to even turn up as im sure he was over his contracted dates.
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Old 06-24-2012, 04:33 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Default Re: The Montreal Screwjob.. Who acted worse?

I don't think you could say who acted worse and both Bret Hart and Vince McMahon acted pretty badly and it all depends on what side you look at it from. On the side of Vince McMahon you have someone in Bret Hart who refused to lose the WWE title because the planned match was in Canada and because it was Shawn Michaels who he didn't get on with off screen and was bitter because he had replaced him as the top guy.

WWE was losing the ratings battle to WCW and had been for a long time so in his eyes he couldn't risk Bret Hart showing up on Nitro with the WWE title or without having ever lost the WWE title as it would make WWE look weak. Regardless of Bret Hart having "reasonable creative control" for the last 30 days of his contract he should have dropped the WWE title to whoever he was asked to do so to and in whatever country the match was taking place. I think Ted DiBiase said it best when he said it doesn't matter where you lose as the world is watching anyway so be it America, Canada, Germany or England it's irrelevant.

On the side of Bret Hart he was annoyed because after he had told Shawn Michaels he had no problem in losing to him later down the line Shawn Michaels had apparently told him he wouldn't be willing to do the same so didn't want to back down in their backstage feud so refused to lose to Shawn Michaels as well. After being the top star and face of the company from 1993 through to early 1996 he felt disrespected and pushed out in a way because of the way the product was going which was tailor made for people like Shawn Michaels and Stone Cold Steve Austin. I believe Bret Hart had actually stopped his children from watching post Summerslam because of the content on Raw on a weekly basis.

I've always said though that Bret Hart should have dropped the WWE title to Shawn Michaels because the plan was always for Austin/Michaels at WrestleMania 14 and it was for the good of the business and company. It's a shame that his WWE career ended the way it did because he had done a lot for WWE but he was so bitter about Shawn Michaels replacing him as top guy he refused to do anything with Shawn Michaels in which he didn't look better. There is no doubt that Shawn Michaels was a prick to people backstage and alienated a lot of people but Bret Hart wasn't really any better but did it in a sneaky way where he would try to get everyone on his side backstage.

Still to this day Bret Hart tries to take credit for everything good in WWE back then as seen by his interview with Arda Ocal recently and he talks of how the ratings plummeted as soon as he left and that Shawn Michaels didn't carry or represent WWE anywhere like he did although i posted the ratings from when Shawn Michaels was WWE champion through 1996 and in 1997 against Bret Hart as WWE champion from late 1995 to WrestleMania 12 and again from post Summerslam and the ratings were more or less the same outside of a few times when Raw hit a 4.0 or over for the first time ever and Shawn Michaels was WWE champion.

People always talk about Hulk Hogan refusing to lose to people so in the sense Bret Hart was just as bad but played the victim for why he refused to lose when if he really wanted to claim the moral high ground he should have lost and then he would have been seen as the bigger man and walked away with the full respect of everyone for doing what was right for business. The way he did it though he did what was best for him and him going to WCW as WWE champion or without losing could have killed off WWE for good so in a way he forced the hand of Vince McMahon in to doing what he did. One thing i don't get though is why Triple H never gets any heat for what happened seeing as it was his idea and he was in on the whole thing as well.
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Old 06-24-2012, 04:39 PM   #23 (permalink)
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One thing i don't get though is why Triple H never gets any heat for what happened seeing as it was his idea and he was in on the whole thing as well.
Very good point, i mean, Shawn admits it was Hunter who said " If he won't do buisness, we'll do buisness for him" Even Hunter himself admits that on the HBK DVD, its one thing for Vince and Co to apprantly think that , its another for Hunter to then say it and for it then to go ahead.
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Old 06-24-2012, 04:45 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Reading this thread and finding out that Shawn wouldn't job to Bret, i honestly have to say all three have a part to blame on themselves,
Michaels for being an idiot and not jobbing to Bret which is selfish and rediculous, he was lucky he was already over at that point, maybe that's we're his big ego came from, knowing that he likely wouldn't get fired.
Bret has a part to blame for not wantiong to drop the title, fair enough Michaels started this but he firstly should have been the bigger man about it, i guess another thing to do with ego, and also he should have known by now what the business means to Vince and him retaining the title and going to WCW would've just meant he was still WWF champion just without a title to show for it.

Vince has a part to blame, mainly for the screwjob itself, i'm sure there could've been a better way to handle this, he obviously made a snap decision and the effects are still felt today, positives and negatives although negatives are slightly less noticable now Bret and Vince/Michaels have made amends.
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Old 06-24-2012, 05:04 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I think the blame has to be shared equally between VKM and Bret (and this is coming from a Bret Hart fan)

I can understand Bret's reluctance to drop the belt to HBK. HBK was an A-class prick back then and after that remark he supposedly made, even I would have thought twice about agreeing to drop the belt to him. But Bret should have been the bigger man and dropped the title on his way out, for the good of the company, left the company on good terms and returned when the time was right. I think he was placing way too much importance on this whole losing in Canada thing too.

Conversely though, what VKM did was completely unnecessary and uncalled for. Say what you want about Bret Hart but he was an excellent servant for the WWF for the 14 odd years he was there in his first run and IMO did not deserve to be humiliated and degraded in that fashion.
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In the pro-wrestling industry, you have to totally trust the people you are doing business with for safety reasons. With Vince McMahon being the CEO of the WWE, he should be one of the most trustworthy guys in the industry and with Bret Hart being a long time employee who saw Vince's company through the bad times, you would have thought Vince would have shown him more respect.

So when Bret was screwed over in the ring last night, it showed a total lack of professionalism by Vince and it endangered Bret himself, Shawn and Earl Hebner by throwing a spanner in the works, the way he did.
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Old 06-24-2012, 05:12 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Man how in gods world can anyone blame the Hitman for this???

fuck there are people WHO BASE THEIR CAREERS out of not doing Jobs, we have their pics on our avatars and sigs LMFAO

Bret put people over and FUCK SHAWN im a 100% behind Bret on this
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In the pro-wrestling industry, you have to totally trust the people you are doing business with for safety reasons. With Vince McMahon being the CEO of the WWE, he should be one of the most trustworthy guys in the industry and with Bret Hart being a long time employee who saw Vince's company through the bad times, you would have thought Vince would have shown him more respect.

So when Bret was screwed over in the ring last night, it showed a total lack of professionalism by Vince and it endangered Bret himself, Shawn and Earl Hebner by throwing a spanner in the works, the way he did.
Completely agree. The man did not even want to leave the company and had been extremely loyal to the company through thick and thin. You would have thought VKM would have taken this into account before doing what he did. Some may praise Vince for being ruthless enough to do what was neccessary to protect the company. I just saw it as a massive lack of respect.
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It was pretty much a perfect storm of fuckery on all accounts..
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Shawn and Vince were both more guilty than Bret.

Bret tried to make peace with Shawn by telling him that he would put him over and Shawn replies "I'm not willing to do the same for you." What the fuck do people expect him to do, put his tail in-between his legs and put him over anyway?
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