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Vince McMahon 61 51.69%
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Old 01-06-2013, 01:08 PM   #101 (permalink)
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I agree (again!). But then why did Vince tell Bret to sign with WCW as the WWF champion? Why didn't he have Bret drop the title first and then have him sign with WCW?
Because Bret was too expansive. He couldn't afford it.

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[color="Purple"]The Montreal Screwjob is a load of bs, in my opinion... It made Bret Hart the hottest thing in the business.
Um... No. Bret didn't became "The hottest thing in the business" because of it... After a month no one cared.
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Old 01-06-2013, 01:22 PM   #102 (permalink)
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Because Bret was too expansive. He couldn't afford it.



Um... No. Bret didn't became "The hottest thing in the business" because of it... After a month no one cared.
He was white hot straight after it, WCW fucked it up. So yes he was the hottest thing in the business.
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Old 01-06-2013, 01:31 PM   #103 (permalink)
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can't believe some people are still trying to defend this self-righteous abomination that is Bret Hart, I respect your opinions and to each our own but Defei's post based on the Observer 92' pretty much refutes all Bret Hart defenses and is an invincible/unbeatable argument.
I'd never seen that article before or known about the story, it is a great post. However this is 1992 when Bret still felt that Vince McMahon would never actually do anything with him and Bret probably felt like he was being wasted in the company. Then a couple months later Vince made Bret champion and their whole relationship changed. Vince went from the guy who put Bret's dad out of business to the guy who was now making Bret into a global superstar and a millionaire. After this Bret and Vince became very close and I honestly believe, Bret wouldn't have done anything to hurt that relationship.
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Old 01-06-2013, 01:51 PM   #104 (permalink)
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One thing that is often forgotten is that in 96 when Vince gave Bret that enormous offer, Raw looked alot stronger in the ratings that it would look just 6 months later. At this point Bret was much more over than he would be in 97 when Vince was forced to turn him heel. The thing is that Vince had good reason to think that Bret would be the next Hogan in 96 and pay him but by 97 Bret was a big burden on WWF's bank account and he no longer looked like the future of wrestling.
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Old 01-06-2013, 02:12 PM   #105 (permalink)
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can't believe some people are still trying to defend this self-righteous abomination that is Bret Hart, I respect your opinions and to each our own but Defei's post based on the Observer 92' pretty much refutes all Bret Hart defenses and is an invincible/unbeatable argument.
Well the Observer isn't exactly holy scripture. It's known that around the early 90s, Bret didn't have much time for Meltzer. Anyone can write a media article.
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Old 01-06-2013, 04:08 PM   #106 (permalink)
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^ don't believe it, bret was not in on it, some fans just can't accept some things are real

if it was real why didn't bret come back in 1999, he signed for 3 years and hated it, he got his 9 million, wcw was on its deathbed, he could of came back in dec 99 before his concussion, hbk was gone

vince just should of allowed bret to drop the title maybe to taker, taker/hbk were wrestling anyways, they could of had there match at rumble and everything would of been the same
The problem with that is Bret's WCW contract began on December 1, 1997 and likely ended December 1, 2000, meaning he couldn't come back in December 1999.

Like someone said, Vince was worried about the information leaking that his champion signed to the competition and it did. A newspaper out of Canada reported it days before Survivor Series. So, now you have the information leaked and the possibility of the belt showing up on Nitro without Bret. Bret refused all scenarios involved because he didn't want to drop the belt to HBK.

It was just too much flip flopping from both Vince & Bret but the only thing that remained the same was Bret wouldn't willingly lose the belt until at least November 14 in Youngstown. That's nearly 2 weeks after he had signed with WCW and despite Bret saying Bischoff would allow him to stay until December 8, Vince had no confirmation from Bischoff himself.
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Old 01-06-2013, 11:31 PM   #107 (permalink)
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Can you blame Bret for not wanting to drop the belt to Shawn after

A) Shawn refused to drop it to him
B) Vince said he could drop it after SS
C) He had complete control for his last 30 days

From what I've seen it seems like Vince's business point differed from Bret's integrity of his Hitman character along with the rivalry with Shawn. Obviously Vince didn't want to build Bret up before he left for WCW but he put himself in it. As Vince screwed Bret could he not have sued due to the creative control clause not being used?

Vince was in the wrong and backed himself into a corner that he couldn't get out of. I wouldn't of blamed Bret; HBK was an asshole and didn't want to drop the belt to him, Stone Cold or Taker faking injury made matters work. He offered to drop the belt the night after and even to Austin or Taker. Vince was the boss but the ball was in Bret's court. HBK being an ass made the situation what it was.

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Old 01-07-2013, 12:11 AM   #108 (permalink)
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I've yet to see any reasoning to how the fault is Bret's. People like to bring up that he refused to drop the Title to Shawn, yet don't mention that it was Shawn who did that first. Bret was just returning the favor for Shawn's douchey ways.

I think it's Shawn. How he acted like he had no idea, then jumps in the air, celebrating before going behind the curtain. Then of course. "I had no idea. God as my fuckin witness."
Hit the nail on the head

Shawn will always have that ego about him and honestly to me it was a mix of Vince knowing he was trapped up against two egos that had spun out of control. this is an event we can over analyze forever, but im one of those fans that has just moved on from it.
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