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Old 06-16-2012, 10:42 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default What if Hall & Nash never left in 1996?

First and foremost let me say that I'm sure this thread has been done at least once before. But last week I bought a VHS copy of "nWo: Back In Black" for $7.99 (for anybody who cares) and just got around to watching it today. Anyways, toward the beginning Scott Hall said that he didn't want to leave the WWF, but had to do what he felt was best for his family. So that got me to thinking what would the wrestling world be like if Scott "Razor Ramon" Hall and Kevin "Diesel" Nash stayed with the WWF in 1996 instead of jumping ship.

Obviously, the nWo was one of the main reasons for the 90's boom period for wrestling. The Outsiders were a huge piece to that puzzle of the birth of the nWo. In the same sense in my mind the nWo also made WCW a lot more watchable (well the early days of the nWo at least). I'm sure Hulk Hogan would of retired from full-time competition by the time 1998 rolled around. WCW would of probably have more of a feel that TNA currently has. By my guesses WCW would of been strictly about Bill Goldberg, Sting and the Cruiserweights. While Goldberg and Sting were big deals nonetheless. Without the nWo I could see Goldberg of being some major heel by 1999 and the streak would of probably went longer than it did.

Back to Hall & Nash though. I don't think they would of always had their Razor Ramon and Diesel names by the mid/late 90s if they stayed with the WWF. Eventually, I think their names would of been changed to strictly Scott Hall and Kevin Nash. D-Generation X to an extent probably would of never happened or at least the name. Think The Kliq would eventually have an on-air stable together. Guys like The Outlaws would of been their own team. I could of seen a Kliq/Hart Foundation feud going strong by mid-1997. Also, that would leave me to have doubts about Sean Waltman jumping to WCW as well. He would of been more of I guess the Brian Pillman (not a Loose Cannon, more or less the equivalent toward Pillman in the Hart Foundation) of the Kliq.

WWF Attitude would of still happened, as that was more thanks to ECW. But WCW as a whole would of been a different product.

What would be your thoughts if Hall & Nash stayed with the WWF?
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Honestly, I feel if they had never left in 1996, WCW may still be around today.
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Honestly, I feel if they had never left in 1996, WCW may still be around today.
No. WCW would of folded sometime between late 96 and 98. As far as the WWE goes personally I don't think the company would of seen 2000 either. I feel the kliq with all of there antics and politics would of completely killed the company by that point.

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If Vince would have kept them, he would have had to releas other big name talents to make up for it. Warrior might not have ever come in and would have gone to wcw.
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No. WCW would of folded sometime between late 96 and 98. As far as the WWE goes personally I don't think the company would of seen 2000 either. I feel the kliq with all of there antics and politics would of completely killed the company by that point.
Care to explain why you feel that way?
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Care to explain why you feel that way?
Ted Turner was about to pull the plug on WCW. Hulk Hogan's signing with WCW had become a flop in just 4-5 short months. The Nitro ratings and PPV's buys were just terrible.

As far as the WWF/WWE goes all you have to do is look at the kliq's history to know that they would of chased out every potential star that would of signed with the company in order to keep themselves and over why? because they were group of miserable, short sighted, narrow minded narcissists. Kind of like who Vince McMahon has become today.

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Ted Turner was about to pull the plug on WCW. Hulk Hogan's signing WCW had become a flop after just 5 short months and both PPV buys and ratings had plumped.

As far as the WWF/WWE goes all you have to do is look at the kliq's history to know that they would of chased out every potential star that would of signed with the company in order to keep themselves and over why? because they were group of miserable, short sighted, narrow minded narcissists. Kind of like who Vince McMahon has become today.
Ted Turner didn't know shit about wrestling, which is why he had a revolving door of people to run the company. Not only that, WCW was owned by Time Warner and not solely Ted. Time Warner as a company, would have had the option to pull the plug on WCW. Most Ted could have done was sell his share of the company, and I've read that there were enough other shareholders to limit his influence with WCW. I also read that his wife was rather sick, which is when AOL-Time Warner sold WCW, against his wishes, meaning it would have taken more than Ted Turner to pull the plug on WCW.

You can say the rating plummeted but the fact is, NWA/GCW/JCP/WCW was pumping money into the Turner Networks for nearly 20 years. Ted just didn't know shit about wrestling and by his willing to spend whatever it took to make the company better and putting certain people in charge, it ultimately ruined the company. Once Hall and Nash came in, it started to die. Everything was a mess, Bischoff kept a loaded roster, which explains him being able to have 60 man battle royals and was giving out huge contracts. But, that all came from the influence and brainwashing of guys like Hall and Nash, which is sad that Ted/Time Warner didn't realize the harm they was doing to their own company.

And the second part of your posts explains the same thing I said about Hall and Nash, regarding WCW. You're saying they would have killed WWE and WWE has did great without them but disagree with me saying they killed WCW and WCW would still be around without them. Exact same scenario except WWE had guys in charge that knew how to put on a wrestling show, without giving guys HUGE contracts to do nothing. And I doubt Vince would be stupid enough to pay those guys millions to sit home.
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... I'm sure Hulk Hogan would of retired from full-time competition by the time 1998 rolled around.
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a lot of things would've changes , since they aren't gonna leave the infamous MSG curtain call wouldn't have happened , thus Triple h wouldn't have gotten punished and eventually get his push as 1996 KOTR thus delaying the launching of the Attitude Era

WCW would've been in a whole lot of change , without Hall and Nash there wouldn't be no nWo thus no Hogan heel turn , and i doubt that WCW management at the time would risk Hogan turning heel solo

so no Hollywood Hogan = no Nitro dominating ratings = no need for Vince to push his envelope to the limits = no Attitude era

no Attitude Era = no hot competition = no wrestling boom = wrestling declines heavily

of course that's all speculations , maybe things would've turned otherwise


one thing is for sure , Austin wouldn't have had his badass Hell Frozen Over theme , it was originally made for Scott Hall (without the police sirens)
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Razor Ramon would have no doubt won the WWF Championship had he kept his act together.

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